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0 pointshobofan4mo ago0 comments

> Seems like such a low-hanging fruit, especially given the very visible success of companies like Framework.

Is there very visible success of Framework? How many people in your everyday live have you encountered with a Framework laptop?

I love there mission, but Framework from all the feedback from users online seems to still be a product that you'll only buy if you put sustainability over performance/convenience.

> a YC-backed attempt

If any successful attempt would be launched, there would be no reason for it to go through YC. In the mass consumer hardware market their little funding and the network they provide doesn't do much. I would strongly assume that a challenger would appear in a similar form as it did with framework with nrp.

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abdullahkhalids4mo ago

> Is there very visible success of Framework? How many people in your everyday live have you encountered with a Framework laptop?

A company that captures most/the entire market is not what is being asked for. Only a financially viable company that provides value to people looking for a certain type of product. Framework is certainly that in its own domain. And something similar could be built for phones.

vovavili4mo ago

>still be a product that you'll only buy if you put sustainability over performance/convenience

That would product that I and countless others would be gladly willing to buy on the smartphone market.

NoboruWataya4mo ago

At what price though? There are many people who say they would buy a phone like Fairphone, but not at that price, or not unless it had a 3.5mm headphone jack or a better camera, etc etc. Talk is cheap but sustainable phones are not.

hobofanOP4mo ago

So are you buying a Fairphone right now? Because from my rough estimation Framework and Fairphone are about the same when it comes to performance/convenience tradeoff right now.

I mostly focused on the "YC disruption" part in GPs question without considering whether there is actually an opening for a disruptor. I think Fairphone may already be filling that gap.

vovavili4mo ago

I don't see a reason to buy a new phones when I can buy refurbished flagships from a couple of years prior. The fact that this is the best option available is precisely what strikes me as being so straightforward to fix.

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abdullahkhalids4mo ago

> Is there very visible success of Framework? How many people in your everyday live have you encountered with a Framework laptop?

vovavili4mo ago

>still be a product that you'll only buy if you put sustainability over performance/convenience

That would product that I and countless others would be gladly willing to buy on the smartphone market.

NoboruWataya4mo ago

hobofanOP4mo ago

So are you buying a Fairphone right now? Because from my rough estimation Framework and Fairphone are about the same when it comes to performance/convenience tradeoff right now.

I mostly focused on the "YC disruption" part in GPs question without considering whether there is actually an opening for a disruptor. I think Fairphone may already be filling that gap.

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