Setting politics aside for a moment: Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark? I see polling suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Americans, around 75%, oppose the idea of purchasing or seizing Greenland. It clearly isn't a popular demand among the general public. But do the people who voted for Trump actually back him on this specific issue?
To us in the Nordics, this is baffling. Greenland has been Scandinavian territory since the year 10th century. It was part of the establishment of the nation of Norway in 1261 and remained with Denmark after the Kalmar Union ended. The land has been inhabited by the Thule people and Scandinavians for over a millennium. Yet, the US Government now argues it 'should' belong to the USA and is threatening close NATO allies with tariffs to force a sale.
I am especially curious about the 'Golden Dome' justification. President Trump claims full control of Greenland is 'vital' for this new missile defense shield. Do Americans accept this narrative? From our side of the Atlantic, it looks like a pretext—existing treaties already allow the US to operate the Pituffik Space Base for exactly this kind of defense. Why is annexation suddenly considered 'vital' when the current alliance has worked for decades?
High-profile Republican Senators have publicly called the idea 'absurd' and 'weapons-grade stupid.' How is it, then, that the US Congress and Senate seem unable to stop these threats?
I would appreciate an American perspective: Is this seen as a legitimate foreign policy move or an overreach by the executive branch? Are we just witnessing a train wreck in the making on both sides of the Atlantic, with no option to stop it?
> Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark?
I don’t think so. Americans are notoriously ignorant about geography; I doubt many can place Greenland on a map.
> To us in the Nordics, this is baffling.
As far as I am concerned, the same person threatened to execute US Senators for treason for telling US military they should refuse illegal orders. The US military swore an oath to defend the constitution; disobeying illegal orders is what is required in the US military code.
> Why is annexation suddenly considered 'vital' when the current alliance has worked for decades?
It is not vital. I personally believe he is trying to derail NATO and make our allies turn against us.
> Are we just witnessing a train wreck in the making on both sides of the Atlantic, with no option to stop it?
Yes. Congress and the Supreme Court are acquiescing to his driving US foreign policy into the toilet.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/why-trump-zeroed-greenland-...
Credulously echoes Trump's claims that rare earth deposits there are of strategic value.
> Is there actual public support in the USA for demanding territory from Denmark?
No, Trump’s campaign promise was to improve lives of average Americans. Instead, he’s escalating conflicts with countries on the other side of the world and funding state sponsored terrorism domestically. Americans are overwhelmingly against Imperialism.
Over several decades, Congress has given up nearly all their power to stop this to the executive branch. Even if they tried, Trump has proven that he’d do it anyway, overtly curtailing congress, courts and the law.
> Are we just witnessing a train wreck in the making on both sides of the Atlantic, with no option to stop it?
As an American, my opinion is that I think we are.
As you said, this is executive branch overreach enabled by GOP control over all three branches of government. Republicans may call it 'absurd' and 'weapons-grade stupid', but they're actively enabling Trump's behavior.
Almost all of the people around me are ashamed about this, and more than a little fearful. There is a huge opposition to the notion, not only because it's betraying our allies and weakening our place on the world stage, but also because it's an impossible-to-miss sign that our nation is in the process of collapse.
If there's anything that mutes the response to this, it's the fact that the feds are violently attacking our own citizenry and that's a more immediate problem.
Once you stop looking at trump as a president and start looking at him as a narcissist it becomes less baffling and more clinically insane.
Please excuse me if I am repeating something you've heard. Some fraction of the people who voted for Trump don't back him on this, or maybe any other issue. The US mass media is owned by oligarchs, and the oligarchs like Trump, so he has not been reported on completely or honestly since 2017, early in his first term. That fraction voted for someone who doesn't exist in reality.
A large fraction of Trump voter almost certainly do back him on this. There really is a cult of personality around Trump. I'm not sure Trump himself caused it, but he certainly took advantage of it when it started. The Qanon bullshit is a primary example of this. The US Republican party has made itself more and more rigid and lock-step over the years, Trump was able to take it over, to his advantage.
This part of Trump's voters would back anything he'd say or do, regardless of relation to reality. Luckily, the oligarch owned press is nearly omnipresent, and does not report honestly or completely on Trump, his behavior, so that fraction of voters can keep on believing in Trump as God King.
But the oligarchs would probably not be happy about a devastating trade war (I guess some are happy to buy up all assets and move to the _post-democratic age_ or whatever). So, why aren't they trying to stop the Greenland nonsense?
A few folks have already posted good points. This is a classic Trump/asshole negotiation tactic. This distracts from the clamor to release the Epstein files.
But what I think is pretty depressing to me is that, as someone else posted, lots of people (even the ones I personally know who don't like Trump) are just so sick of politics and inured against all this madness that they prefer to think about other things. There's also a feeling of helplessness, as it's true that there's not much that an individual can do to affect immediate, meaningful change. My best friend and I went door knocking in PA in 2024 to try to turn out votes for Kamala Harris. He was super passionate about politics. Since then he's shrugged and has literally said to me, "Well, we tried. Let's just focus on our own individual lives." When I try to bring this topic up with other folks, including my best friend, I often get a - "Well they voted for this. Our live are still good. Let them suffer." And when tariffs and other international relations, such as Greenland come up, most people I know tend to just shrug and don't have much to say.
It's a really strange and interesting phenomenon I've observed. Since I strongly believe that smart phone and social media addiction have deranged most individuals, I of course have a bias to think that most people are a mixture of easily distracted by this very distressful situation and psychologically uncomfortable with the aforementioned feeling of not being able to do anything with an immediate result, i.e. no instant gratification that we've been conditioned to expect. But then I read books about history, and it seems like this behavioral pattern isn't unique to this smart phone era, so maybe it's just human nature. Most people probably don't believe in an abstract principle strongly enough to really sacrifice or even be that uncomfortable about it. I'd like to think this isn't the case, so I've tried to modulate my conversations to pleading with people I know (again, most of whom are against Trump and all this), to at least have a conversation where we can agree this sucks. But then, it's another maddening thing, where a lot of folks have told me - That's obvious, why do we need to talk about it.
Regardless - I can only speak for myself when I say that I am wholly, 100%, and passionately against this. I'm just guessing, but I suspect that your confusion on why there's no strong movement against this stems from a large-scale prisoner's dilemma (most individuals here are optimizing for their own local maxima, which leads to our collective minima), and the distressing phenomenon that most humans probably don't like to just be assholes, they try to follow the rules and norms of society, but we have here an asshole who doesn't, so it's difficult to combat him and this administration.
Sigh. Sorry for the long post. Maybe it helps. I don't know, it's a strange time. Even taking the time to at least explain what I've personally witnessed is only my attempt to try to put out the right karma in the universe against this anti-intellectual, indecent behavior.
Maybe it's all the Nazi thuggery of ICE scaring them, that keeping quiet feels much more safer.
Disclaimer: I don't live under the Trump tyranny.
I don't know what the angle is (haven't thought that much about it) but there is an angle he is pursuing with this. Trump is a master of FUD and also you can't typically tell what things he says he'll do that he does vs. those that he decides not to pursue further (and tha tis part of the magic of how he gets what he wants the unpredictability).
To answer your question of course it's an over reach happening in plain site but people tend to be numb to it at this point since it doesn't directly impact them day to day.
Here you are imbuing a "master of FUD" angle to a letter that might as well be written with crayons.
> I don't know what the angle is (haven't thought that much about it)
You don't? It seems pretty clear to me. He states it in the first sentence of his letter:
"Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace..."
That's it. That's the reason. It's not very complicated and it doesn't require any thought. Childish? Sure. Unbecoming of an elected official in any capacity? Absolutely. But this is who he is and this is how he operates. I can't think of any President before Trump that required special whisperers to translate everything he says and tell us what he really means.
Contrary to popular thinking (and it is a nicer fantasy), he is not an inconsistent, emotionally manipulated short-termist with no attention-span.
He is actually smarter than we thought (or wanted to think) OR someone actually is a bona-fide Trump whisperer.
His main foreign policy aims and beliefs seem remarkably fixed.
All of this to say, no further appeasement. No need to completely undermine the Nobel peace price also for 5 minutes of respite, he will literally be back to this within a fortnight.
Behind it is "Thank you for your inattention to this Jeffrey Epstein matter for another week"
Dear Jonas:
Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only a boat that landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
