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0 pointsbonsai_spool2mo ago0 comments

> The very fact that Obama deported more immigrants, and Trump is deporting fewer but with riots in the streets should clue you in to the effect that media has over you.

Whoa. To refresh my memory, how many American citizens were shot by ICE under Obama? How many cities were threatened with Insurrection Act occupations? Maybe deporting people doesn't require such actions, and "the effect that the media has" is highlighting how ridiculous these behaviors are.

(Just so we leave the realm of ad hominem and return to data, these figures are a helpful baseline: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/yearbook/2019/table3... )

edit: more data https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-re... . I sincerely hope you will re-adjust your priors based on actual data (some of it from the current administration!) as opposed to what you hear on the radio or television.

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PlanksVariable2mo ago

During Obama’s presidency ICE wasn’t dealing with protestors actively interfering with day-to-day operations in cities throughout the country. Remove the protestors, and the probability of a civilian getting shot goes to ~0. Of course dozens of non-citizens died during those years.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with your data. The first doesn’t even cover Biden’s term, which again, is what I’m talking about. The second is extremely disingenuous because doesn’t take net illegal immigration into account. Even if Biden deported a similar number of people as Trump, he let far more people in: the net number of illegal immigrants in the country during Biden’s term is estimated to have risen by 3.5 million people.

When is the last time you questioned your priors?

bonsai_spoolOP2mo ago

> When is the last time you questioned your priors?

Every day, friend.

> During Obama’s presidency ICE wasn’t dealing with protestors actively interfering with day-to-day operations

What do you think the difference is? What do you think your most reasonable opponent might say? In a dispassionate analysis, who do you think is correct?

I do this all the time as a researcher.

> net number of illegal immigrants

Absolute non sequitur.

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