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0 pointsmnewme1mo ago0 comments

I agree that users who break the law must be prosecuted. But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design.

We already apply this logic elsewhere. Car makers must include seatbelts. Pharma companies must ensure safety. Platforms must moderate illegal content. Responsibility is shared when the risk is systemic.

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JustRandom1mo ago

Agreed. Let's try to be less divisive. Everyone has got a fair point.

Yes, AI chatbots have to do everything in their power to avoid users easily generating such content.

AND

Yes, people that do so (even if done so on your self-hosted model) have to be punished.

I believe it is OK that Grok is being investigated because the point is to figure out whether this was intentional or not.

Just my opinion.

ReptileMan1mo ago

>But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design.

Platforms moderating illegal content is exactly what we are arguing about, so you can't use it as an argument.

The rest cases you list are harms to the people using the tools/products. It is not harms that people using the tools inflict on third parties.

We are literally arguing about 3d printer control two topics downstream. 3d printers in theory can be used for CSAM too. So we should totally ban them - right? So are pencils, paper, lasers, drawing tablets.

mnewmeOP1mo ago

That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different

graemep1mo ago

> No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface,

If LLMs should have guardrails, why should open source ones be exempt? What about people hosting models on hugging face? WHat if you use a model both distributed by and hosted by hugging face.

ReptileMan1mo ago

No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.

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szmarczak1mo ago

You are literally trolling. No one is banning AI entirely. However AI shouldn't spit out adult content. Let's not enable people harm others easily with little to no effort.

ytpete1mo ago

3D printers don't synthesize content for you though. If they could generate 3D models of CSAM from thin air and then print them, I'm sure they'd be investigated too if they were sold with no guardrails in place.

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JustRandom1mo ago

Agreed. Let's try to be less divisive. Everyone has got a fair point.

Yes, AI chatbots have to do everything in their power to avoid users easily generating such content.

AND

Yes, people that do so (even if done so on your self-hosted model) have to be punished.

I believe it is OK that Grok is being investigated because the point is to figure out whether this was intentional or not.

Just my opinion.

ReptileMan1mo ago

>But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design.

Platforms moderating illegal content is exactly what we are arguing about, so you can't use it as an argument.

The rest cases you list are harms to the people using the tools/products. It is not harms that people using the tools inflict on third parties.

mnewmeOP1mo ago

graemep1mo ago

> No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface,

If LLMs should have guardrails, why should open source ones be exempt? What about people hosting models on hugging face? WHat if you use a model both distributed by and hosted by hugging face.

ReptileMan1mo ago

No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.

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szmarczak1mo ago

You are literally trolling. No one is banning AI entirely. However AI shouldn't spit out adult content. Let's not enable people harm others easily with little to no effort.

ytpete1mo ago

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