How Much Developers Make Per City, and Tech Stacks (Infographic) (opens in new tab)

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46 pointssuperkinz13y ago30 comments

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Hey guys, I just want to clear up some confusion that we didn't see coming - The infographic was meant to represent the developers using GroupTalent back in July. I think folks got a little confused when we started drawing comparisons to the industry as a whole.

Sorry about that! We've removed the misleading parts to avoid any further confusion. Thanks!

CWIZO13y ago

Sorry for the off-topic. I was rejected by your review process more than 14 days ago. I've then sent you an email asking on clarification and my reasons why I think I should be approved. But I haven't got anything back from you guys. Do you have any guidelines I could read on what you expect from freelancers?

I'm just confused as I have plenty of experience under my belt and I could tackle almost any problem you throw at me.

showerst13y ago

Senior Developers: "Most use backbone.js"

Junior Developers: "Learning their way around Javascript and Rails of Python"

... is this a joke?

edit - Written before superKinz explanation below. It makes sense when placed in the proper context.

superkinzOP13y ago

Wasn't a joke, just a miscommunication internally. =)

Thanks for calling it out early.

thedufer13y ago

I'm not sure what you based your $209k number on, since you don't cite an average hourly rate. However, its not terribly surprising. Full cost of an employee is usually estimated at 2-2.5x salary, so on an average of $93k salary, the hourly rate must be about what one would expect.

Full cost of employee means salary, benefits, physical space, equipment, social security, etc. Also worth noting that its unusual for developers to work more than 48 weeks out of the year; not sure if you took this into account.

demione13y ago

"all mobile developers are mid-level developers."

uhhh... what?

elchief13y ago

People that use average to describe the middle of non-symmetric distributions are dumb.

saltcod13y ago

Thanks for the help here on this one! Dumb people will now know just how dumb they are before making misinformed assumptions. Really helpful.

X6MW3aQrZU5VKkz13y ago

I hope you realise the distribution need not be symmetric for the average value to be in the middle.

e-dard13y ago

Yes, but elchief's point is obviously that if the data has a positive or negative skew, the median is going to be more helpful than the mean.

gokulk13y ago

I use backbone.js, underscore.js etc.. heavily in my work. I primarily code in front end but I have only a year of mainstream experience. Where does that place me in this stack. I think this is the misconception recruiters are not picking me for junior/mid level positions and I get calls for senior level positions and then they drop me cause of less experience. backbone.js ! = more experience

medinismo13y ago

The tech stack and level of seniority comparison reflect correlation not causality.

To your point, I think you experience is relevant whether is mainstream or not. You are pointing to a problem with mainstream recruiters, ie that they only consider "mainstream" work as useful experience - whereas in the freelance market all experience is relevant and affects your rate. hope this helps.

valdiorn13y ago

Ruby used by 14% of all developers. Yeah right.

I'm guessing this is highly oriented towards web developers. Not all developers make iPhone apps and web sites. Your demography (what kind of developers are included in this survey) is not clearly stated here.

wheaties13y ago

Your website took forever to load from my phone. Granted, i was in a 3G zone and not 4G but that happens. It was the text which took a good long while followed by the info graphic i didn't bother to wait for. Just a heads up.

superkinzOP13y ago

Yikes, ok we'll take a look at that. Seems like we've got a lot of testing to do on this. Thanks for the heads up.

loceng13y ago

Typo at https://grouptalent.com/learn/employers/ "Our Fee All cost estimates inlcude our 20% fee."

superkinzOP13y ago

I feel like I should be paying you guys for helping us out so much. =)

Thanks for finding that, fix being deployed right now!

loceng13y ago

$120 / hour based on some rates I saw on website, now should I charge at 15 minute or hour long intervals.. :)

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Woost13y ago

This site is broken on an iPad...scrolling doesn't work at all

superkinzOP13y ago

That's strange, I'll take a look at that tonight when my wife lets me wrestle the iPad out of her hands.

I think she thinks it's hers... =)

notJim13y ago

It's also extraordinarily difficult to read in Chrome/Windows. http://i.imgur.com/RL9gB.png

superkinzOP13y ago

Thanks for pointing that out. We switched over to Middleman from Wordpress and we're slowly building it out custom as we go. We get in a little work here and there in our spare time, but I think you've pointed out that we've got a ways to go before it works well all around.

Thanks for the heads up!

volandovengo13y ago

These comments are hilarious.

People just nit pick on the details without discussing the trends the post talks about. Cmmon guys!

jwwest13y ago

What about Chicago or Dallas. Surely not all programmers live in four cities on the coasts

minimax13y ago

Vertical scrolling is broken on this site with Firefox for Android.

team_arg13y ago

there appears to be an error in the charts for salary by city.

the bottom two salaries are both 50k, it seems like the second one should be 60k

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30 comments

superkinzOP13y ago

Sorry about that! We've removed the misleading parts to avoid any further confusion. Thanks!

CWIZO13y ago

I'm just confused as I have plenty of experience under my belt and I could tackle almost any problem you throw at me.

showerst13y ago

Senior Developers: "Most use backbone.js"

Junior Developers: "Learning their way around Javascript and Rails of Python"

... is this a joke?

edit - Written before superKinz explanation below. It makes sense when placed in the proper context.

superkinzOP13y ago

Wasn't a joke, just a miscommunication internally. =)

Thanks for calling it out early.

thedufer13y ago

demione13y ago

"all mobile developers are mid-level developers."

uhhh... what?

elchief13y ago

People that use average to describe the middle of non-symmetric distributions are dumb.

saltcod13y ago

Thanks for the help here on this one! Dumb people will now know just how dumb they are before making misinformed assumptions. Really helpful.

X6MW3aQrZU5VKkz13y ago

I hope you realise the distribution need not be symmetric for the average value to be in the middle.

e-dard13y ago

Yes, but elchief's point is obviously that if the data has a positive or negative skew, the median is going to be more helpful than the mean.

gokulk13y ago

medinismo13y ago

The tech stack and level of seniority comparison reflect correlation not causality.

valdiorn13y ago

Ruby used by 14% of all developers. Yeah right.

wheaties13y ago

superkinzOP13y ago

Yikes, ok we'll take a look at that. Seems like we've got a lot of testing to do on this. Thanks for the heads up.

loceng13y ago

Typo at https://grouptalent.com/learn/employers/ "Our Fee All cost estimates inlcude our 20% fee."

superkinzOP13y ago

I feel like I should be paying you guys for helping us out so much. =)

Thanks for finding that, fix being deployed right now!

loceng13y ago

$120 / hour based on some rates I saw on website, now should I charge at 15 minute or hour long intervals.. :)

1 more reply

Woost13y ago

This site is broken on an iPad...scrolling doesn't work at all

superkinzOP13y ago

That's strange, I'll take a look at that tonight when my wife lets me wrestle the iPad out of her hands.

I think she thinks it's hers... =)

notJim13y ago

It's also extraordinarily difficult to read in Chrome/Windows. http://i.imgur.com/RL9gB.png

superkinzOP13y ago

Thanks for the heads up!

volandovengo13y ago

These comments are hilarious.

People just nit pick on the details without discussing the trends the post talks about. Cmmon guys!

jwwest13y ago

What about Chicago or Dallas. Surely not all programmers live in four cities on the coasts

minimax13y ago

Vertical scrolling is broken on this site with Firefox for Android.

team_arg13y ago

there appears to be an error in the charts for salary by city.

the bottom two salaries are both 50k, it seems like the second one should be 60k

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse