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0 pointsgnarlouse3mo ago0 comments

(In this response I may be heavily discounting the value of debugging, but unit tests also exist)

This is sort of something that I think needs to be better parsed out, as a lot of engineers hold this perspective and I don’t find it to be precise enough.

In college, I got a baseline familiarity with the mechanics of coding, ie “what are classes, functions, variables.” But eventually, once I graduated college and entered the workforce, a lot of my pedagogy for “writing good code” as it were came from reading about patterns of good code. SOLID, functional-style and favoring immutability. So the impetus for good code isn’t really time in the saddle as much as it is time in the forums/blogs/oreilly-books.

Then my focus shifted more towards understanding networking patterns and protocols and paradigms. Also book-learning driven. I’ll concede that at a micro level, finagling how to make the system stable did require time in the saddle.

But these days when I’m reading a PR, I’m doing static analysis which is primarily not about what has come out of my fingers but what has gone into my brain. I’m thinking about vulnerabilities I’ve read about, corner cases I can imagine.

I’d say once you’ve mastered the mechanics of whatever language you’re programming in, you could become equivalently capable by largely reading and thinking.

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andrewflnr3mo ago

> So the impetus for good code isn’t really time in the saddle as much as it is time in the forums/blogs/oreilly-books.

I disagree strongly with this. I read the books, blog-posts, forums, etc early in my career (if you can call it that when I was essentially a teen with a hobby), but didn't fully understand how to apply them, and notably when to apply them, until I had sufficient "time in the saddle". You don't understand the problems that code architecture techniques solve until you've actually had to modify a messy project with a lot of code already written.

> you could become equivalently capable by largely reading and thinking

Theoretically possible, but doing is often orders of magnitude more efficient. You could read reams of books about gardening without actually knowing how to dig a hole.

Part of the deal is that typing forces you to actually pay attention instead of skimming and assuming you got the gist. Following a tutorial by copy-pasting never really worked as well as typing the code, so why would watching an LLM code be any better? I suspect that even as you're running "static analysis" in your head and looking for vulnerabilities, you're using neural pathways forged while coding by hand.