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0 pointsdangus22d ago0 comments

It's hilarious to me that you are acting like these features you are bringing up are exclusive to Mac!

SSD larger than 2GB? That's not a differentiating feature of a Mac. As a completely random example, an HP Omen Transcend 14 has DUAL M.2 SSD slots and that's not even a high end PC laptop. Macs are the only systems on the market where you can't upgrade the storage after purchase and you're doing so at insane markups.

More than 64GB of memory, yeah, that's also available on other PCs. Numerous PCs. I found multiple models from multiple manufacturers that support the same 128GB maximum. My Framework 13 supports 96GB and it's socketed DDR5 so I can just buy it at a store after purchase, or you can look at the new Lenovo T series Gen 7 (10/10 iFixit Repair Score) which has LPCAMM2 memory, allowing for BOTH repairability/upgradability AND high memory speed.

External IO, again, Apple isn't the gatekeeper of Thunderbolt 5. Where is the MacBook Pro with Oculink for the best external GPU performance? My Framework 13 has four fully customizable ports, I can literally put whatever ports I want on the machine and switch them out. Apple can't be bothered to put a USB-A port on a device despite the fact that it's still widely used and it would be convenient to just have one on there.

Apple doesn't make their own display panels. You can get a PC laptop with a wide variety of panels including the same mini-LED technology. Where is the MacBook Pro with a tandem OLED panel? You don't really get a choice with a Mac, you are stuck with the two different panels that they sell.

On Mac you're stuck with macOS. On a PC laptop you have more choices, Windows or a wide variety of Linux and BSD derivatives. Linux on Mac hardware is not fully functional and compatible with the hardware. Being stuck with Mac means you are unable to run a far wider array of software than being stuck with Windows or Linux. Imagine it this way: you just bought a top of the line MacBook Pro with the M5 Max chip, you've got a beast of a machine! You just spent your day crushing high intensity productivity tasks. Now you'd like to leverage the insane speed of your MacBook Pro playing some AAA video games. Oops! The macoS game library is miniscule, and CrossOver ($ annual license fee) is not ideal compared to Steam on Windows or Steam/Proton on Linux. I guess I can just play Cyberpunk 2077 or Rise of the Tomb Raider for the 10th time on my Mac!

Nobody mentions a removable WiFi card until their WiFi/Bluetooth stops working and they're stuck with an astronomical repair bill and now because they're Apple customers they are buying an entirely new system and "recycling" their old laptop. On a system like a Framework or a Lenovo T series 7th gen, components like USB-C ports are removable in case they are physically damaged, and you can buy parts directly from the manufacturer. Apple's strategy is to upsell you on an extended warranty/insurance plan to try and avoid astronomical repair bills.

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stephenr21d ago

I never suggested those things are exclusive to a Mac. The comment I replied to said

> Anyone who cares about value isn’t getting a non-base model Mac.

And then proceeded to suggest a very specific model which has several limitations compared to what's available in a Mac.

Of course there are alternative options. The point is that each person has different priorities, and each available option has different trade offs.

I didn't really read the rest of all that.

dangusOP20d ago

It seems like you are now trying to walk back your own statement, and I find that facetious. There is no other way to read your original comment: you were saying that someone might choose a Mac over a PC because they prioritize screen brightness, more than 64GB of memory, or SSD over 2TB.

I responded to that with ample evidence that PCs deliver all of that and more.

Your response is to dismiss and insult my comment as being lengthy musings of a crazy person. You’re not reading “all that” just like Fox News isn’t going to put a socialist on the air without talking over them.

Dismissal is the stage you get to when logic and reasoning can’t sufficiently defend your point.

This is what Mac zealots do: they put blindfolds on and pretend like Mac hardware is above and beyond the laws of physics and PC laptops can’t possibly satisfy the same priorities that Macs do. Customer-hostile design is just a manifestation of consumer priority.

stephenr20d ago

> This is what Mac zealots do: they put blindfolds on and pretend like Mac hardware is above and beyond the laws of physics and PC laptops can’t possibly satisfy the same priorities that Macs do.

And this is what people with some kind of irrational obsession with hating Apple do: they work themselves up into some kind of fever pitch because other people have different priorities and choose a different computer.

Enjoy your HP. Or your Lenovo. It's a bit hard to keep up with which one it is you want.

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