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0 pointsapplfanboysbgon20d ago0 comments

> they are typically dismissed because they look so weird to us.

I dismiss them because Yegge's work (if it can even be called his work, given that he doesn't look at the code) is steaming garbage with zero real-world utility, not "because they look weird". You suggest the apparent utility is undeniable, while saying "based purely on popularity" -- but popularity is in no way a measure of utility. Yegge is a conman who profited hundreds of thousands of dollars shilling a memecoin rugpull tied to these projects. The actual thousands of users are people joining the hypetrain, looking to get in on the promised pyramid scheme of free money where AI will build the next million dollar software for you, if only you have the right combination of .md files to make it work. None of these software are actually materialising, so all the people in this bubble can do is make more AI wrappers that promise to make other AI wrappers that will totally make them money.

I am completely open to being proven wrong by a vibe-coded open source application that is actually useful, but I haven't seen a single one. Literally not even one. I would count literally anything where the end-product is not an AI wrapper itself, which has tens to hundreds of thousands of users, and which was written entirely by agents. One example of that would be great. Just one. There have been a couple of attempts at a web browser, and Claude's C compiler, but neither are actually useful or have any real users; they are just proofs of concept and I have seen nothing that convinces me they are a solid foundation from which you could actually build useful software from, or that models will ever be on a trajectory to make them actually useful.

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keeda19d ago

The memecoin thing was stupid, totally. Yegge should never have touched it, because well, crypto, but also because that's a distraction from the actual project.

> popularity is in no way a measure of utility

Why would it be popular if it's not useful? Yegge is not like some superstar whose products are popular just because he made them. And while some people may be chasing dollars, most of them are building software that scratches an itch. (Search for Beads on GitHub, you'll find thousands of public repos, and lord knows how many private repos.)

Beads has certainly made my agents much more effective, even the older models. To understand its utility you have to do agentic coding for a while, see the stupid mistakes agents make because they forget everything, and then introduce Beads and see almost all those issues melt away.

> None of these software are actually materialising

They are if you look for them. There are many indications (often discussed here) showing spikes in apps on app stores, number of GitHub projects, and Show HN entries. Now, you may dismiss these as "not actually useful", and at this volume that's undoubtedly true for a lot of them.

But there is already early data showing growth not only in mobile app downloads, but also time spent per user and revenue -- which are pretty clear indications of utility: https://sensortower.com/blog/state-of-mobile-2026

Edit: it occurs to me that by "vibe-coding" we may be talking about two different things -- I tend to mean "heavily AI-assisted coding" whereas you likely mean "never look at the code YOLO coding." I'll totally agree that YOLO vibe-coded apps by non-experts will be crap. Other than Beads and Gastown I don't know of any such app that is non-trivial. But then those were steered by a highly experienced engineer, and my original point was, vibe-coding correctly could look very weird by today's best practices.

thewebguyd19d ago

> I tend to mean "heavily AI-assisted coding" whereas you likely mean "never look at the code YOLO coding."

The original point that sparked this sub-thread though is that AI is being overhyped. If actual vibe coding (YOLO it, never look at or understand the code, thus truly enabling non-technical folk to have revolutionary power and ability) doesn't work, then AI is yet just another tool in the toolbelt like any other developer life enhancing tech we've had so far, it's just a new form of IDE.

Being a new form of IDE, while very useful, isn't exactly entire economy transforming revolutionary tech. If it can't be used by someone with zero computer/eng experience to build something useful and revenue generating, the amount of investment we've seen into it is way overblown and is well overdue for a pretty severe correction.

I buy AI as a "developer enhancing tool" just like any other devtools that we've seen over my career. I don't currently buy it as a "total labor economy transformation force."

keeda18d ago

But that's the thing... I don't YOLO it, I review all the code it generates, yet I personally am doing something -- using computer vision, a field I had negligible prior background in -- that would have taken a team of 2 - 3, AND about a semester or year of an advanced degree to catch up on the field! I am effectively doing the work of a team.

So when I see people online say they feel 10x productive, I tend to believe them. But I'm working solo, and have none of the encumbrances and "Conway Overhead" of coordinating with a lot of other people, so I also understand why the overall effect is so limited. Which is why I think current companies are "shaped wrong" for AI.

When companies eventually adapt, it will be a "labor economy transformation force" because the same dynamics will play out across all knowledge work. And I am not talking as an AI booster, but as a parent whose kids are interested in software engineering; I have every incentive to hope my prognostications do not come true, but I prefer being prepared for the worst.

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