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0 pointsvalicord2mo ago0 comments

> It shouldn't matter as long as it addresses your ask

But it doesn't? I'm more than capable of using Google and chatgpt myself. If I was looking for a machine generated answer to my question I would have already found it myself and never made the post in the first place. If I went to the effort of posting the question, it means that either the slop answer is not sufficient for some reason or that I want to hear from actual humans that have subjective experiences that an LLM cannot.

Posting an AI response verbatim basically says "I think you're too stupid to click a couple of buttons, so let me show you how it's done". I think it's very reasonable to get upset at the implication.

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toraway2mo ago

As an example of this, I am currently comparing two different models of Android e-readers, from a Chinese brand where the tech specs are all published but there aren't a lot of good comparative reviews. Plus, the specs like battery life are close to the same mAh, but for e-readers especially with Android optimization/drivers/etc make a gigantic difference.

So I have been Googling for "Reader X vs Reader Y review"(/comparison/etc) hoping to find Reddit comments or non-spam blog posts from people who actually own both to compare screen and battery life. I found a reddit thread comparing them directly and lo and behold the first comment is someone saying "I own both but honestly you could just ask ChatGPT for this". Fortunately a couple other people responded...

When I ask Gemini or ChatGPT, all I get is regurgitation of the tech specs (that are all mostly identical) plus summarized SEO spam reviews (that were probably written by another LLM based on those same tech specs) and it's totally unhelpful. So for this, I absolutely do NOT want an OpenClaw bot to respond as if they've physically used the devices and it would be actively enraging to learn a "helpful" comment "answering" the question was actually just an LLM impersonator.

madrox2mo ago

I think it is reasonable, yes, but I don’t think it’s ever been reasonable to expect reasonableness on the internet. We have a difficult enough time showing each other decency.

YurgenJurgensen2mo ago

Then why even have this discussion in the first place? You weren’t expecting any reasonable responses to it, after all.

coldtea2mo ago

Do you only do stuff where you expect the outcome to be good?

Perhaps they did it for the off chance of a good response.

the_af2mo ago

But then it'd be false that the internet is the wrong place. This person's account is from 2011, which shows they don't believe what they claim.

I think they are playing devil's advocate in the most irritating way. Good things, and good venues, are worth preserving against enshittification.

Let's not blandly accept this. Fight against it, even if it's a losing battle.

"It was always like this" is false, anyway.

the_af2mo ago

> I think it is reasonable, yes, but I don’t think it’s ever been reasonable to expect reasonableness on the internet. We have a difficult enough time showing each other decency.

This is a disingenuous answer. You don't truly believe this. How do I know? Because you're having this conversation here and not with ChatGPT. So you do think the internet is reasonable enough to engage in this conversation.

Also, Sturgeon's Law applies. "The Internet" is as reasonable as humans are. Of course 90% of it is going to be garbage, but that's no reason to discard the other 10%.

I know you're playing devil's advocate. I wish people stopped doing this, and instead acknowledged human connection is worthwhile.

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toraway2mo ago

madrox2mo ago

I think it is reasonable, yes, but I don’t think it’s ever been reasonable to expect reasonableness on the internet. We have a difficult enough time showing each other decency.

YurgenJurgensen2mo ago

Then why even have this discussion in the first place? You weren’t expecting any reasonable responses to it, after all.

coldtea2mo ago

Do you only do stuff where you expect the outcome to be good?

Perhaps they did it for the off chance of a good response.

the_af2mo ago

But then it'd be false that the internet is the wrong place. This person's account is from 2011, which shows they don't believe what they claim.

I think they are playing devil's advocate in the most irritating way. Good things, and good venues, are worth preserving against enshittification.

Let's not blandly accept this. Fight against it, even if it's a losing battle.

"It was always like this" is false, anyway.

the_af2mo ago

> I think it is reasonable, yes, but I don’t think it’s ever been reasonable to expect reasonableness on the internet. We have a difficult enough time showing each other decency.

Also, Sturgeon's Law applies. "The Internet" is as reasonable as humans are. Of course 90% of it is going to be garbage, but that's no reason to discard the other 10%.

I know you're playing devil's advocate. I wish people stopped doing this, and instead acknowledged human connection is worthwhile.

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