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0 pointsmike_hearn9d ago0 comments

Most obviously, Java has JDBC. I think .NET has an equivalent. Drivers are needed but they're often first party, coming directly from the DB vendor itself.

Java also has a JIT compiling JS engine that can be sandboxed and given a VFS:

https://www.graalvm.org/latest/security-guide/sandboxing/

N.B. there's a NodeJS compatible mode, but you can't use VFS+sandboxing and NodeJS compatibility together because the NodeJS mode actually uses the real NodeJS codebase, just swapping out V8. For combining it all together you'd want something like https://elide.dev which reimplemented some of the Node APIs on top of the JVM, so it's sandboxable and virtualizable.

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LunaSea9d ago

> Most obviously, Java has JDBC. I think .NET has an equivalent. Drivers are needed but they're often first party, coming directly from the DB vendor itself.

So it's an external dependency that is not part of Java. It doesn't really matter if the code comes from the vendor or not. Especially for OpenSource databases.

zadikian9d ago

DBMS vendor providing the client is nice. At least if you're using pg-native in Node, that's just a wrapper around the Postgres-owned libpq, but I've run into small breaking updates before that I don't feel would've happened if Postgres maintained both.

afavour8d ago

But that’s not Node’s fault surely? Shouldn’t Postgres be providing an NPM module given the popularity of Node?

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mike_hearnOP9d ago

Well in the case of Oracle you can get the language, runtime, DB and driver all from the same organization under unified support contracts.

If you don't value that, why would you want your programming language implementors to also implement database drivers?

zadikian9d ago

Well that's only because Oracle happens to own both Java and Oracle DB. Suppose you're not using that DB.

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0 pointsmike_hearn9d ago0 comments

Most obviously, Java has JDBC. I think .NET has an equivalent. Drivers are needed but they're often first party, coming directly from the DB vendor itself.

Java also has a JIT compiling JS engine that can be sandboxed and given a VFS:

https://www.graalvm.org/latest/security-guide/sandboxing/

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LunaSea9d ago

> Most obviously, Java has JDBC. I think .NET has an equivalent. Drivers are needed but they're often first party, coming directly from the DB vendor itself.

So it's an external dependency that is not part of Java. It doesn't really matter if the code comes from the vendor or not. Especially for OpenSource databases.

zadikian9d ago

afavour8d ago

But that’s not Node’s fault surely? Shouldn’t Postgres be providing an NPM module given the popularity of Node?

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mike_hearnOP9d ago

Well in the case of Oracle you can get the language, runtime, DB and driver all from the same organization under unified support contracts.

If you don't value that, why would you want your programming language implementors to also implement database drivers?

zadikian9d ago

Well that's only because Oracle happens to own both Java and Oracle DB. Suppose you're not using that DB.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse