Sure, but if tomorrow uv and ruff ceased to exist, we could all go back to any number of other solutions.

I do feel like it is overstated, and the number of downloads is not a good metric at all. There are npm packages with many millions of downloads, too.

That says more about the sad state of modern CI pipelines than anything about uv's popularity.

Not disputing that it's a great and widely used tool, BTW.

The “requests” package gets downloaded one billion times every month, should that be a multi billion dollar VC company as well? It’s a package manager and other neat tooling, it’s great but it’s hardly the essence of what makes Python awesome, it’s one of the many things that makes this ecosystem flourish. If OpenAI would enshittify it people would just fork or move on, that’s all I’m saying, it’s not in any way a single point of failure for the Python ecosystem.

Don't understate its importance. I've been using Python for more than 30 years. They solved a problem that a lot of smart people didn't solve (). Python developer experience improved an order of magnitude.

() Sure, they were on the shoulders of giants

Not including direct downloads via the native installers, Homebrew, Winget, or Docker, mind you.

I mean, these sorts of numbers speak to the mind-bogglingly inefficient CI workflows we as an industry have built. I’d be surprised if there were 4 million people in the world who actually know what ‘uv’ is.

It's not difficult to download something yourself 4 million times every day to look popular :)

Agreed.

Maybe there needs to be some nonprofit watchdog which helps identify those cases in their early stages and helps bootstrap open forks. I'd fund to a sort of open capture protection savings account if I believed it would help ensure continuity of support from the things I rely on.

I'm not sure but it seems to be because of dependency management behaviors I find confusing. Like, I found out that apparently people or packages would just do this `pip freeze > requirements.txt` or otherwise just not pay attention to what version limitations there are. It's not something that I ever really ran into much though

uv has almost 2x the number of monthly downloads Poetry has.

- https://pypistats.org/packages/poetry - https://pypistats.org/packages/uv

In the 2024 Python developer survey, 18% of the ecosystem used Poetry. When I opened this manifold question[0], I'm pretty sure uv was about half of Poetry downloads.

Estimating from these numbers, probably about 30% of the ecosystem is using `uv` now. We'll get better numbers when the 2025 Python developer survey is published.

Also see this: https://biggo.com/news/202510140723_uv-overtakes-pip-in-ci-u...

[0]: https://manifold.markets/JeremiahEngland/will-uv-surpass-poe...

anecdotally every place ive worked at has switched over and never looked back.

Is pointing out the incorrect use of a point of order itself a point of order, or also a point of information?

You're right, I've edited it.

what does that mean

You can find some resources on our strategy in previous blog posts, like this one on pyx[1].

[1]: https://astral.sh/blog/introducing-pyx

Check this HN thread from 8 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44358216

Maybe it is a GenX, Boomer thingie, but setting a couple of environment variables, or multiple virtual envs hardly felt as packaging hell.