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0 pointsPaulHoule7d ago0 comments

i think the main problem was that people didn't believe that pip was broken, or didn't think there was any value in a 100% correct package manager over a 97% correct package manager (e.g. misread "worse is better")

I had the problem basically understood in 2018 and I am still pissed that everybody wanted to keep taking their chances with pip just like they like to gamble with agent coders today.

Now that people know a decent package manager is possible in Python I think there is going to be no problem getting people to maintain one.

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pxc7d ago

Idk how anyone could sustain the impression that pip was not broken unless they had basically never used anything else (including Linux package managers) long enough to have even a basic understanding of it.

And that's a big part of what's so frustrating about Python generally: it seems to be a language used by lots of people who've never used anything else and have an attitude like "why would I ever try anything else"?

Python has a culture where nominal values of user-friendliness, pragmatism, and simplicity often turn into plain old philistinism.

alsetmusic7d ago

I had a breakthrough moment when someone at a workplace (software dev) said something about a thing that wasn't working on their device. Their language made it clear to me that they didn't know how to troubleshoot to figure out how to fix it. But they could write software that ran on millions of devices. Ok, that made me take a step back.

PaulHouleOP6d ago

In the early 2000s I was in a rough patch in my career and wound up working at a small town web design shop that had done a lot of really amazing work, like a line of business system for car dealers, an e-commerce site for vineyards, a custom CRM for an academic department, etc. Nobody there knew about version control (not so weird in 2005) or how to write joins in SQL.

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