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0 pointsTeMPOraL20h ago0 comments

I say you're fixating on the wrong signal here. "Redefine" and "cheat sheet" are normal words people frequently use, and I see worse metaphors in human-written text routinely.

It's the structure and rhythm at the sentence and paragraph levels that's the current tell, as SOTA LLMs all seem to overuse clarification constructs like "it's not X, it's Y" and "it's X, an Y and a Z", and "it's X, it's essentially doing Y".

Thing is, I actually struggle to find what's so off-putting about these, given that they're usually used correctly. So far, the best hypothesis I have for what makes AI text stand out is that LLM output is too good. Most text written by real humans (including my own) is shit, with the best of us caring about communicating clearly, and most people not even that; nobody spends time refining the style and rhythm, unless they're writing a poem. You don't expect a blog post or a random Internet article (much less a HN comment) to be written in the same style as a NYT bestseller book for general audience - but LLMs do that naturally, they write text better at paragraph level than most people ever could, which stands out as jarring.

> Either there's currently an epidemic of algorithms that use more than one bit to store a bit, or the AI is shoving in extra plausible-sounding words to pad things out. You decide which is more likely.

Or, those things matter to authors and possibly the audience. Which is reasonable, because LLMs made the world suddenly hit hard against global capacity constraints in compute, memory, and power; between that and edge devices/local use, everyone who pays attention is interested in LLM efficiency.

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snovv_crash19h ago

LLM prose is very bland and smooth, in the same way that bland white factory bread is bland and smooth. It also typically uses a lot of words to convey very simple ideas, simply because the data is typically based on a small prompt that it tries to decompress. LLMs are capable of very good data transformation and good writing, but not when they are asked to write an article based on a single sentence.

TeMPOraLOP18h ago

That's true. I.e. it's not that they're not capable of doing better, it's just whoever's prompting them is typically too lazy to add an extra sentence or three (or a link) to steer it to a different region of the latent space. There's easily a couple dozen dimensions almost always left at their default values; it doesn't take much to alter them and nudge the model to sample from a more interesting subspace style-wise.

(Still, it makes sense to do it as a post-processing style transfer space, as verbosity is a feature while the model is still processing the "main" request - each token produced is a unit of computation; the more terse the answer, the dumber it gets (these days it's somewhat mitigated by "thinking" and agentic loops)).

spencerflem17h ago

Because it’s a lot of fluff to convey things in a way that’s not very accurate.

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