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0 pointssergiotapia13y ago0 comments

I wonder why you bother posting things like this here of all places. I agree with you, I'm an MVC3 and a Rails developer - I put food on the table for my family using both (and even sometimes CakePHP).

The amount of sheer idiocy in this thread is really surprising considering the website.

It's like people see "Micro$0ft", foam at the mouth, and start rambling on about FOSS. Without even using MVC3 for anything substantial.

To compare Razor with any other view engine and say it's more or less the same is SO IGNORANT it makes my blood boil; especially since people are upvoting those same stupid remarks.

How can you compare Razor's elegant syntax with Rails really smelly view engine:

    @foreach (var person in Model.Friends)
    {
        <p>@person.Name</p>
    }

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vidarh13y ago

ERB (one of a ton of view engines you plug into rails):

    <% Model.friends.each do |person| %>
        <p><%=person.name %></p>
    <% end %>

Or:

    <% for person in Model.friends %>
        <p><%=person.name %></p>
    <% end %>

I don't even like Rails, but I fail to see how that is "really smelly". Or as I prefer Mustache, I'd probably rather pass Model.friends to the view as a variable and do:

    {{#friends}}
        <p>{{name}}</p>
    {{/friends}}

But regardless what engine you do, you'd be hard pressed to find any big differences in terms of iterating over a collection. I find it very hard to believe that you're a Rails developer yet somehow find the above syntax so much more elegant that you'll use that as an example of how rails has a "really smelly" view engine.

sergiotapiaOP13y ago

You don't see how uncomfortable for the hands it is to type `<%` and closing `%>` every single time you want to output something using code?

How can you compare that, to a simple `@` symbol? ERB (or even Mustache for that matter, feel like a relic compares to Razor.

irahul13y ago

> You don't see how uncomfortable for the hands it is to type `<%` and closing `%>` every single time you want to output something using code? How can you compare that, to a simple `@` symbol? ERB (or even Mustache for that matter, feel like a relic compares to Razor.

I don't think you are doing an objective evaluation.

1. All goddamn editors can be configured to do a short key for the expression(I have mapped \1 to `<% %>` and \2 to `<%= %>`)

2. If that is too much of work, use Haml http://haml.info/tutorial.html or Slim http://slim-lang.com/

    # slim
    - persons.each do |person|
      p = person


   # haml
   - persons.each do |person|
     %p = person

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vidarh13y ago

If you don't like that, you can use haml for example, or any number of other engines. It didn't even occur to me that anyone would care enough about the <% for that to be the point.

If it matters, it'd take about an hour to put together a wrapper to let you use the @foreach ... { } syntax with Rails. Nobody bothers because this is about item #1045 on the list of pain points in web development.

FWIW: For my part I consider it a massive smell to have what appears to be code in the templates, which is why I prefer Mustache and similar which explicitly force the logic to be kept separate, so to me the Razor example and ERB examples look equally hideous.

irahul13y ago

How can you compare Razor's elegant syntax with Rails really smelly view engine: @foreach (var person in Model.Friends) { <p>@person.Name</p> }

Wow. That's revolutionary. Iterating over a collection.

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0 pointssergiotapia13y ago0 comments

The amount of sheer idiocy in this thread is really surprising considering the website.

It's like people see "Micro$0ft", foam at the mouth, and start rambling on about FOSS. Without even using MVC3 for anything substantial.

To compare Razor with any other view engine and say it's more or less the same is SO IGNORANT it makes my blood boil; especially since people are upvoting those same stupid remarks.

How can you compare Razor's elegant syntax with Rails really smelly view engine:

    @foreach (var person in Model.Friends)
    {
        <p>@person.Name</p>
    }

0 comments

vidarh13y ago

ERB (one of a ton of view engines you plug into rails):

    <% Model.friends.each do |person| %>
        <p><%=person.name %></p>
    <% end %>

Or:

    <% for person in Model.friends %>
        <p><%=person.name %></p>
    <% end %>

I don't even like Rails, but I fail to see how that is "really smelly". Or as I prefer Mustache, I'd probably rather pass Model.friends to the view as a variable and do:

    {{#friends}}
        <p>{{name}}</p>
    {{/friends}}

sergiotapiaOP13y ago

You don't see how uncomfortable for the hands it is to type `<%` and closing `%>` every single time you want to output something using code?

How can you compare that, to a simple `@` symbol? ERB (or even Mustache for that matter, feel like a relic compares to Razor.

irahul13y ago

I don't think you are doing an objective evaluation.

1. All goddamn editors can be configured to do a short key for the expression(I have mapped \1 to `<% %>` and \2 to `<%= %>`)

2. If that is too much of work, use Haml http://haml.info/tutorial.html or Slim http://slim-lang.com/

    # slim
    - persons.each do |person|
      p = person


   # haml
   - persons.each do |person|
     %p = person

1 more reply

vidarh13y ago

If you don't like that, you can use haml for example, or any number of other engines. It didn't even occur to me that anyone would care enough about the <% for that to be the point.

irahul13y ago

How can you compare Razor's elegant syntax with Rails really smelly view engine: @foreach (var person in Model.Friends) { <p>@person.Name</p> }

Wow. That's revolutionary. Iterating over a collection.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse