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0 pointsmajorchord17d ago0 comments

> what does it mean that "Chromium is a monopoly"

As someone else said earlier, it is a monopoly by extending the internet in ways that force users into using their browser engine. Due to market share and Google's prevalence, they have the sway to introduce things that cannot meaningfully be avoided without extreme siloing.

> What are the other majorly missing features Chrome pushes that other browsers don't have that most sites require?

This is a different question, please don't move the goalposts.

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vel0city17d ago

> by extending the internet in ways that force users into using their browser engine

And yet after multiple times of me asking you've yet to give me a single real feature lost.

> This is a different question

Its literally the thing we're saying is the problem, how is it a different question entirely?!

You're saying the problem is they're adding features that force Chromium, but asking about which features you're talking about is just bringing up unrelated and different questions.

majorchordOP17d ago

It's not so much forcing people to Chrome/chromium for specific features, but trying to increase market share through more subtle means, like paying to have their search engine featured, advertising their products everywhere possible (including inside other people's apps), slowing down their sites (like youtube) on other browsers, or tying in other services (along with way too much personal info) to try to keep people within their sphere of influence.

Is Linux also a monopoly? In a way sure, but I think a big difference is they're not "doing evil" as people claim Google is, and all the development/decisions are still made out in the open in a democratic way.

Former Google execs have even compared their setup to "running the New York Stock Exchange while trading on it."

At least Linux isn't trying to tell people what to do with their software.

philipallstar17d ago

> it is a monopoly by extending the internet in ways that force users into using their browser engine

2 messages later that seems to be contradicted?

> It's not so much forcing people to Chrome/chromium for specific features

I might've misread.

> but trying to increase market share through more subtle means, like paying to have their search engine featured

This isn't Chromium, the open source basis of many web browsers. Now you're talking about Google the company.

> Is Linux also a monopoly?

Monopolies in the sense worth discussing are highly popular things that are held in place by things other than competition. If anything, Google props up Chrome's competitors to reduce this.

vel0city17d ago

So now Chrome is a "monopoly" because they're "advertising their products everywhere possible". I guess I can only ever drink Redbull, they're a monopoly, because they're advertising their products everywhere.

Seriously? That's our standard of what is a "monpoply"?

Words have no meaning anymore.

You can choose to use something different. The device you bought probably came with an alternative! Otherwise, the device next to it on the shelf on the store where you bought it likely would have had an alternative browser, because most devices on the store shelves outside of some hypothetical physical Google store don't come with Chrome.

Dylan1680717d ago

> Seriously? That's our standard of what is a "monpoply"?

No. That part of the post was answering your question about how it impacts people. Not what makes it a monopoly.

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vel0city17d ago

> by extending the internet in ways that force users into using their browser engine

And yet after multiple times of me asking you've yet to give me a single real feature lost.

> This is a different question

Its literally the thing we're saying is the problem, how is it a different question entirely?!

You're saying the problem is they're adding features that force Chromium, but asking about which features you're talking about is just bringing up unrelated and different questions.

majorchordOP17d ago

Former Google execs have even compared their setup to "running the New York Stock Exchange while trading on it."

At least Linux isn't trying to tell people what to do with their software.

philipallstar17d ago

> it is a monopoly by extending the internet in ways that force users into using their browser engine

2 messages later that seems to be contradicted?

> It's not so much forcing people to Chrome/chromium for specific features

I might've misread.

> but trying to increase market share through more subtle means, like paying to have their search engine featured

This isn't Chromium, the open source basis of many web browsers. Now you're talking about Google the company.

> Is Linux also a monopoly?

Monopolies in the sense worth discussing are highly popular things that are held in place by things other than competition. If anything, Google props up Chrome's competitors to reduce this.

vel0city17d ago

Seriously? That's our standard of what is a "monpoply"?

Words have no meaning anymore.

Dylan1680717d ago

> Seriously? That's our standard of what is a "monpoply"?

No. That part of the post was answering your question about how it impacts people. Not what makes it a monopoly.

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