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IMO the source of the new code is less important than the sheer volume of it. Bun does not need to be entirely rewritten; certainly not over a period of a week, possibly not even over a period of a year. Stability is hard-fought and battle-tested. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face; and every repository has passing tests until it runs production code.

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giancarlostoro2d ago

How many lines of translated code would have been acceptable? What about before AI all the machine translated projects that people used for years without a single complaint? The person who did this was the lead for Bun from the get go no? So it stands to reason that they are one of the highest authorities in Bun itself.

zarzavat2d ago

What is the essence of a program?

The name? No.

The author? No.

The test suite? No, testing is hard and most projects don't do enough of it.

The code? Not really, code can be rewritten.

The history of the program being executed by its users? Ding ding ding. Yes, it's this one.

Bun no longer exists. What exists now is a program that has the potential to be Bun but at this time is not Bun because it has no history of being executed as Bun.

If the rewrite has been done piece-by-piece or over a longer time period then this history could have been built up over time. As such we will have to wait a while for Bun to exist again.

merlindru2d ago

i highly disagree with that framing. the essence of a program is not the fact that people have been running it

you could write a great program and never run it. does that mean the program does now not exist? or that it is not a new, unique thing?

if anything, the essence of a program is made up by all of the things you mentioned!

jbs7892d ago

The confidence and trust accumulated by the users is paramount. I think that’s what we are talking about here.

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orf2d ago

The essence of a program is all of those things. The omission of any one of them makes a program almost worthless.

jofzar2d ago

It's an competitor to bun at the moment, that's what happens when you rewrite a whole program.

Name being the same or not, it's what it is in reality (for better or worse)

zzrrt2d ago

> What about before AI all the machine translated projects that people used for years without a single complaint?

If by machine translation you mean something like transpiling, that's a technology that has been proven over decades, and the translators were written by hand with some attempt at formal correctness and guarantees. Translating with LLM is much newer and subject to the errors LLMs can create, such as hallucination. And I think a lot of people would still be nervous about translating an entire project of that many lines, even with the best pre-AI translators.

torben-friis2d ago

I agree, I'm just wondering whether the punches have come already. Honestly, the fact that they haven't is against my expectations, my guess was that we'd see a noisy one here a day after merging.

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