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0 points0xy1d ago0 comments

This is complete nonsense. All other countries, including the UK, Australia and most of Europe has immigration systems that are just as stringent if not more so.

Notably, and very relevant, the UK recently made it substantially harder for UK citizens to bring over spouses to the point that even teachers don't meet the income thresholds necessary to qualify.

Australia is more expensive AND takes longer than the United States for the equivalent spousal visa.

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danielrmay1d ago

Sorry, which part of my personal experiences was nonsense? Immigration is hard, and yes, I'm aware of challenges in the UK as I moved my spouse over there in 2014. Do you have an experience with immigration that you can speak to?

0xyOP1d ago

Your implication is that the US has an outsized level of difficulty in immigration. This is nonsense. The UK, Australia and Europe are harder.

Notably, the exact same UK visa you used has been made substantially harder to get since you applied.

I am very familiar with the US, UK and Australian immigration systems. The US is the easiest, cheapest and fastest of those 3.

danielrmay1d ago

I think you're responding to a comparison I didn't make. My point wasn't that the US is uniquely difficult compared with the UK or Australia. My point was that legal immigration is difficult, stressful and often misunderstood, including for people who are clearly trying to contribute and follow the rules. I'm aware the UK system has become much harder since I used it, and I'm not disputing that. But "other countries are harder" doesn’t make my experience nonsense.

blindriver1d ago

Your experience wasn't nonsense. Your expectations are nonsense. If you think immigrating to another country should be straightforward and easy, then it's your expectations that are wrong. I also immigrated to the US and it was just as tough, even though I came well before Trump and from Canada.

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sunshowers1d ago

Is the goal here to be the same as others or to be better than others? The US immigration system is far from great at the best of times, but it's becoming worse over time.

michaelmrose1d ago

Did you just pick other generally racist countries with unfriendly immigration policies to prove that all other countries have such systems?

declan_roberts1d ago

It's a two tier system where the best outcome appears to be to simply break the law completely and illegally.

neither_color1d ago

It's not an ideal outcome it's a very non-enviable multi-decade process working menial jobs and being at risk of something benign like a traffic stop escalating to imprisonment at any time. This fantasy that illegals are living in luxury is how they boiled the frog on people who "did it the right way." They want to get rid of everyone.

michaelmrose1d ago

To support your position the official DHS Twitter account tweeted a picture of an island paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations. There are only an estimated 12M undocumented immigrants a 37M legal immigrants including 23M naturized citizens.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-k...

100M is closer to the Total number of nonwhites including citizens than the number of immigrants legal or illegal.

redeeman1d ago

however, though, how about those people that are illegals just... dont?

neither_color1d ago

There's too much demand for their labor. You'd have to go after the businesses that hire them in a way that would hurt certain constituents. TPTB have given themselves the Sisyphean task of rounding up enough of them to appease a nativist base that's been riled up with conspiracies about people invading them, but not so many that it would make economic number go down.

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danielrmay1d ago

0xyOP1d ago

Your implication is that the US has an outsized level of difficulty in immigration. This is nonsense. The UK, Australia and Europe are harder.

Notably, the exact same UK visa you used has been made substantially harder to get since you applied.

I am very familiar with the US, UK and Australian immigration systems. The US is the easiest, cheapest and fastest of those 3.

danielrmay1d ago

blindriver1d ago

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sunshowers1d ago

Is the goal here to be the same as others or to be better than others? The US immigration system is far from great at the best of times, but it's becoming worse over time.

michaelmrose1d ago

Did you just pick other generally racist countries with unfriendly immigration policies to prove that all other countries have such systems?

declan_roberts1d ago

It's a two tier system where the best outcome appears to be to simply break the law completely and illegally.

neither_color1d ago

michaelmrose1d ago

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-k...

100M is closer to the Total number of nonwhites including citizens than the number of immigrants legal or illegal.

redeeman1d ago

however, though, how about those people that are illegals just... dont?

neither_color1d ago

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