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0 pointsLerc1h ago0 comments

I have found that, for many of the statements about what AI should do, I would actally be happier if the letters "AI" were replaced with "companies"

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komali2new22m ago

Yes! I've felt exactly the same. Everything people have taken issue with - "plagiarism," concentration of wealth and power, termination of jobs, environmental harm to feed data centers, land being wasted on new datacenters, resources being distributed terribly so as to feed the AI monster, slopcode being shit out as fast as possible to stay ahead of the market, software quality dropping for the same reason, engineers phoning it in at work to hit LLM KPIs, it's all just capitalism in its most raw, inevitable, end game form.

lukannew5m ago

"it's all just capitalism in its most raw, inevitable, end game form."

Can you explain, what would be early capitalism and what is the difference to "end game capitalism" to you?

parineum34m ago

That's because it's a meaningless, populist trope. There is zero helpful information, solution or context which depends on the specific issue at hand.

netcan1h ago

...you could also swap out with "rich people" or "all people," "governments."

In fact, reading these sentences with ad-lib on the subject tends to give these sentences interestingly different connotations.

adolph1h ago

If one considers a firm to be a non-human entity that exhibits cognition, then yes. Various religions also exhibit those characteristics, which would fortify the Roman pope’s position with irony.

See Joscha Bach’s claim about religions not publishing their A|B testing at 51:47:

https://youtu.be/7bqdPHLIY8w

6stringmercnew15m ago

And while your comment has validity, in the US the phrase uttered by Presidential candidate Mitt Romney adds a layer of complexity:

“Corporations are people, my friend.”

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bluefirebrand1h ago

Same thing though. AI is largely a service provided by companies

Yes yes I know, open source models exist, yadda yadda

I think it's safe to say the overwhelming amount of AI usage in the world today is gates by corporations though. The vast majority of people will barely configure their own OS nevermind managing their own locally hosted open source AI instance

LercOP56m ago

Not at all the same thing. AI is a subset of what companies can do, and many if the issues people have with AI are not intrinsic to AI but rather their use in the hands of companies utilizing then for their own benefit.

fsflovernew24m ago

Open source models don't exist. Open-weight ones do, which are more equivalent to freeware than free software.

bluefirebrandnew19m ago

Fair enough, thank you for the correction

stavros43m ago

I don't think anyone actually has an issue with AI. I think people are finally fed up with late-stage capitalism and lashing out.

daheza37m ago

I think if there were any solution to the lack of jobs due to AI implementation then people would be fine. There isn’t any solution from either party in the US so people are naturally attacking the thing that is causing the problem.

Swizec33m ago

It’s really hard to get people excited about not having jobs when you design a whole society around the idea of having a job and make life exceedingly miserable for anyone who doesn’t

You can’t push both “If you dont work, you dont eat” and “Nobody needs to work anymore” propaganda at the same time. Gotta choose

stavros30m ago

The solution to the lack of jobs should be a strong social safety net, but Americans don't want this because socialism, so what can you do? You can't really halt progress, and taxing the rich (or corporations) is very unpalatable there, so everyone is kind of stuck.

titzernew29m ago

People were fed up at "Occupy Wallstreet", but the media and craven political situation absorbed those movements back into the fold. Forget "fed up". When do we start seeing actions that don't feed directly back into the oligarchy's capture?

keeganpoppen1h ago

so maybe we'll get to the right place by accident when all companies are effectively replaced by ai ha ha. (not putting a high %age likelihood on that one, obviously, just being cheeky)

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komali2new22m ago

lukannew5m ago

"it's all just capitalism in its most raw, inevitable, end game form."

Can you explain, what would be early capitalism and what is the difference to "end game capitalism" to you?

parineum34m ago

That's because it's a meaningless, populist trope. There is zero helpful information, solution or context which depends on the specific issue at hand.

netcan1h ago

...you could also swap out with "rich people" or "all people," "governments."

In fact, reading these sentences with ad-lib on the subject tends to give these sentences interestingly different connotations.

adolph1h ago

If one considers a firm to be a non-human entity that exhibits cognition, then yes. Various religions also exhibit those characteristics, which would fortify the Roman pope’s position with irony.

See Joscha Bach’s claim about religions not publishing their A|B testing at 51:47:

https://youtu.be/7bqdPHLIY8w

6stringmercnew15m ago

And while your comment has validity, in the US the phrase uttered by Presidential candidate Mitt Romney adds a layer of complexity:

“Corporations are people, my friend.”

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bluefirebrand1h ago

Same thing though. AI is largely a service provided by companies

Yes yes I know, open source models exist, yadda yadda

LercOP56m ago

fsflovernew24m ago

Open source models don't exist. Open-weight ones do, which are more equivalent to freeware than free software.

bluefirebrandnew19m ago

Fair enough, thank you for the correction

stavros43m ago

I don't think anyone actually has an issue with AI. I think people are finally fed up with late-stage capitalism and lashing out.

daheza37m ago

Swizec33m ago

It’s really hard to get people excited about not having jobs when you design a whole society around the idea of having a job and make life exceedingly miserable for anyone who doesn’t

You can’t push both “If you dont work, you dont eat” and “Nobody needs to work anymore” propaganda at the same time. Gotta choose

stavros30m ago

titzernew29m ago

keeganpoppen1h ago

so maybe we'll get to the right place by accident when all companies are effectively replaced by ai ha ha. (not putting a high %age likelihood on that one, obviously, just being cheeky)

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