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0 pointsptsneves1h ago0 comments

If AI or any of the means of production are too concentrated, societies around the globe have found a solution: tax or nationalise.

Even taxing might be enough to tilt the scale in favour of labor. If whole countries have their socio-economic fabric damaged because the means of production are locked elsewhere this constitutes a sovereignty issue and it will be dealt with.

The Industrial Revolution had the same pains, and it took a few centuries to get societies where we are today.

Power generation is also instrumental to almost all labor produced today, and thus utilities were born.

I think the pope is right and the AI bros are wrong. I am currently rooting for the open weights to give the power back to the people. For teachers and artists to work for their neighbourhoods and communities.

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57016524001h ago

right, but if you do not have income, how you going to pay for those utilities?

in fact, many people struggle to pay for electiricy and water and gas. and without subsidies from government would not afford them.

we rapidly moving to territory where you would need literally all your income from government, or else you would not survive.

it is not about "open weights" or "free tokens". you can not eat tokesn, nor weights. it is about "food on the table".

ptsnevesOP1h ago

> we rapidly moving to territory where you would need literally all your income from government, or else you would not survive.

Yes, I share the sentiment of dread don’t get me wrong. But this also has happened before, and it gave us communism. There are people that said it was ok to live in those times. I guess if the state actually delivered the necessities for people to survive as opposed to how it happened historically, I think many people would be fine with that status quo. Not all but perhaps the majority. I think it is worth seeing a shitty way out than a despairing wall…lol this came out more desperate than i thought.

> it is not about "open weights" or "free tokens". you can not eat tokesn, nor weights. it is about "food on the table".

The idea is that anyone will be able to use these new means of production to answer more demanding tasks that would not be possible to fulfil without the llms. If we are all hopelessly automated though, yeah, we will either be living in a slum or in a utopia.

Given history and my trusty Hobbes social contract I believe society will come up with a way to not predate on each other.

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