I like your suggestions. I have tried and quickly abandoned so many of these new dime a dozen frameworks. They claim to work like magic, but, usually right off the bat, with the "hello world" example, I find myself thinking, "Why do I have to do
that every time? Shouldn't it do that for me?"
Also, there are the frameworks where you have to install every package manager and library (which I've never heard of) under the sun and then follow instructions like "Just jimify Belch in your Crandal project..."
