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0 pointsMikeb8512y ago0 comments

According to everyone who saw it and touched it. I was watching their unveiling of the phone, trading their stock and listening to market opinion, and I remember that very day. Everyone in the market agreed that Meego could have been huge (it was also open-source like Android, and in many ways a better OS), and it was only Elop's allegiance to Microsoft which killed it.

Meego was good enough that Jolla picked it up, and Intel spun it into Tizen. At the time of the N9 unveiling, it was better than Android.

Speaking of ecosystems, fast forward a few years, if Nokia had indeed attempted to push Meego and failed, Android would have been the logical choice. Now they're settling for scraps with Windows Phone, when they were once THE leader worldwide in smartphones...

Edit - by the way, Nokia was the smartphone market share leader as recently as 2011... In fact, it was during Elop's tenure that Nokia lost most of its market share, although they were on the way out for awhile before then. But had Meego had better traction, it could have been very different. Nokia had an ecosystem, and had mindshare...

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sirkneeland12y ago

Another problem is that the final (and truly brilliant) UI of the N9 didn't exist at the time Elop made the decision to kill it. At the time, the Swipe UI was not done, and was actually the 3rd "let's start over" initiative with the MeeGo UI at the time (so you can see why there was skepticism on it).

But man, they really knocked it out of the park. It was (and still is) the best smartphone UI ever made.

killme12y ago

> (it was also open-source like Android, and in many ways a better OS).

Open source is not a very big selling point to the masses. WebOS was open source and better than Android at the time, had good reviews, but it flopped miserably.

>Speaking of ecosystems, fast forward a few years, if Nokia had indeed attempted to push Meego and failed, Android would have been the logical choice You're assuming that Nokia would not be dead from all the losses in the meantime. Microsoft was pumping $250M into them per quarter to ease the transition. If Nokia went alone, it may not have survived the big transition to Meego.

>and it was only Elop's allegiance to Microsoft which killed it.

No, it was Nokia's board that hired him in the first place and approved all his big decisions.

You do know that a company's board can fire the CEO at any time right? So Elop's allegiance had nothing to do with anything there. Here's a good read. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_24/b42320567...

Mikeb85OP12y ago

> You do know that a company's board can fire the CEO at any time right?

Oh really?

> Open source is not a very big selling point to the masses.

No, but it enables other manufacturers to hop on board and create an ecosystem. Nokia had Intel and others in their corner...

> WebOS was open source and better than Android at the time, had good reviews, but it flopped miserably.

It wasn't open source until it had already failed. Plus it never felt as though HP really cared all that much about mobile devices, they were a huge monolithic entity making too much money on desktops, servers, etc...

Contrast this with Nokia, the world leader in phones (including smartphones) for quite some time.

Also, at one point Symbian held 70+ percent of smartphone market share, Nokia obviously did know how to create an ecosystem.

> No, it was Nokia's board that hired him in the first place and approved all his big decisions.

Obviously a mistake on their part. Corporate boards don't always make the best decisions, though in theory they should.

pavlov12y ago

Also, at one point Symbian held 70+ percent of smartphone market share, Nokia obviously did know how to create an ecosystem.

That data point actually proves the exact opposite: Nokia knew how to sell mobile phones, but they had no idea how to create an ecosystem.

Despite Symbian's huge marketshare, the market for 3rd party Symbian apps was in shambles. There had been an initial enthusiasm for Symbian app development in 2002-2004, but that was slowly killed by Symbian's obtuse certification processes and SDKs that kept growing in complexity and crappiness.

When the iPhone was introduced, Nokia was marketing their Symbian phones with the slogan: "This is what computers have become." But almost nobody was doing computer-like things on Symbian phones. The browser sucked, even though it was WebKit-based (Nokia had forked the code and left it to linger). There was no channel for selling apps to ordinary consumers.

A few geeks installed weird stuff like Quake ports on their N95 phones, but the average Symbian user just did phone calls, SMS and occasional photos.

sirkneeland12y ago

I agree with your points, but as a quibble, webOS was not open source at the time. The decision to open-source webOS didn't come until the end of 2011.

(I should know, I was working there).

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sirkneeland12y ago

But man, they really knocked it out of the park. It was (and still is) the best smartphone UI ever made.

killme12y ago

> (it was also open-source like Android, and in many ways a better OS).

Open source is not a very big selling point to the masses. WebOS was open source and better than Android at the time, had good reviews, but it flopped miserably.

>and it was only Elop's allegiance to Microsoft which killed it.

No, it was Nokia's board that hired him in the first place and approved all his big decisions.

Mikeb85OP12y ago

> You do know that a company's board can fire the CEO at any time right?

Oh really?

> Open source is not a very big selling point to the masses.

No, but it enables other manufacturers to hop on board and create an ecosystem. Nokia had Intel and others in their corner...

> WebOS was open source and better than Android at the time, had good reviews, but it flopped miserably.

Contrast this with Nokia, the world leader in phones (including smartphones) for quite some time.

Also, at one point Symbian held 70+ percent of smartphone market share, Nokia obviously did know how to create an ecosystem.

> No, it was Nokia's board that hired him in the first place and approved all his big decisions.

Obviously a mistake on their part. Corporate boards don't always make the best decisions, though in theory they should.

pavlov12y ago

Also, at one point Symbian held 70+ percent of smartphone market share, Nokia obviously did know how to create an ecosystem.

That data point actually proves the exact opposite: Nokia knew how to sell mobile phones, but they had no idea how to create an ecosystem.

A few geeks installed weird stuff like Quake ports on their N95 phones, but the average Symbian user just did phone calls, SMS and occasional photos.

sirkneeland12y ago

I agree with your points, but as a quibble, webOS was not open source at the time. The decision to open-source webOS didn't come until the end of 2011.

(I should know, I was working there).

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