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0 pointsSpearchucker12y ago0 comments

looking at torrent peers ... and is far better proof of piracy

It's not proof of piracy. It just proves that some bytes were downloaded. What, for example, if you could prove that you paid for the movie you're downloading? Lets say you buy a movie using the Video app on the Xbox, but want to watch it on your old Windows XP desktop, or on your Android phone?

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pwg12y ago

Sadly given the silly state of copyright in the digital age, you'd still be guilty of copyright infringement by doing that.

Which is why copyright needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern age.

annnnd12y ago

Depends on the country. In USA you are probably right.

bduerst12y ago

Which countries considers consumption as copyright infringement, but not sharing the content?

rikkus12y ago

If you're streaming from a torrent:

1. You're downloading. This may or may not be copyright infringement, even if you do already have other licence[s] for the media. Check the licences and the law, if you can understand either.

2. If you're seeding, you're allowing others to download from you. If you're not licensed to do this by the copyright holder [if any], you might be infringing in certain jurisdictions.

ultramancool12y ago

I simply meant to compare with Google Analytics hits, not to say anything is absolute proof, but being on a tracker or DHT is certainly a better indication than GA would be.

Though if you personally join the peer queue and serve over 30s of a movie to them, you've just proved that someone using that IP is pirating that movie. Even if you own the movie elsewhere, if I recall correctly many jurisdictions do not protect the personal transfer you're talking about. The laws are quite stupid here, but that's just how it is.

mikeryan12y ago

if you could prove that you paid for the movie you're downloading? Lets say you buy a movie using the Video app on the Xbox, but want to watch it on your old Windows XP desktop, or on your Android phone?

I'd be very surprised to learn there's a legal way for you to do this considering the movie you download on your Xbox is going to be PlayReady DRM encumbered.

ultramancool12y ago

If we live in a world where a debugger is illegal, I don't want to be legal.

pdabbadabba12y ago

It's the uploading, not downloading that's proof of piracy.

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pwg12y ago

Sadly given the silly state of copyright in the digital age, you'd still be guilty of copyright infringement by doing that.

Which is why copyright needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern age.

annnnd12y ago

Depends on the country. In USA you are probably right.

bduerst12y ago

Which countries considers consumption as copyright infringement, but not sharing the content?

rikkus12y ago

If you're streaming from a torrent:

1. You're downloading. This may or may not be copyright infringement, even if you do already have other licence[s] for the media. Check the licences and the law, if you can understand either.

2. If you're seeding, you're allowing others to download from you. If you're not licensed to do this by the copyright holder [if any], you might be infringing in certain jurisdictions.

ultramancool12y ago

I simply meant to compare with Google Analytics hits, not to say anything is absolute proof, but being on a tracker or DHT is certainly a better indication than GA would be.

mikeryan12y ago

I'd be very surprised to learn there's a legal way for you to do this considering the movie you download on your Xbox is going to be PlayReady DRM encumbered.

ultramancool12y ago

If we live in a world where a debugger is illegal, I don't want to be legal.

pdabbadabba12y ago

It's the uploading, not downloading that's proof of piracy.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse