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0 pointsmtrimpe11y ago0 comments

News about Pavel's departure started appearing ever since the hostile takeover well over a year ago. His actual departure was today which makes it very much possible, if not likely, that it was connected to recent events which undoubtedly resulted in additional pressure against his ideologies.

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noteworthy11y ago

His list of reasons has been building up for years.

Russia in 2012 passed a law allowing censorship of 'pirate websites' and has been heavily abused. Vk has been making licensing deals with Sony and other labels. Pavel is a Libertarian and is against making the website 'corporate' (like facebook, motivated by money not freedom).

Both the Ukraine, arguments with shareholders and copyright pressure are recent. Putting them together he probably saw a restricted future with VK and now he has Telegram to fallback on, he now sees it an opportunity to quit.

However, Telegram has stated it will never charge or have ads, so my theory is he will be making more websites in the future, hopefully he will make websites which embrace his Libertarian ideals.

mtrimpeOP11y ago

Thanks for the comprehensive overview! Sounds about right to me. I hadn't heard about the 'pirate website' law though. Do you have some more info on that?

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't arguing that the Ukraine conflict caused his departure. Just that it was at least a contributing factor and at worst the straw that broke the camel's back.

noteworthy11y ago

*2013 not 2012, my bad.

https://technology.ihs.com/440359/russia-introduces-first-on...

It's been in the talks since 2012, not passed until 2013. In 2012 they passed a law criminalizing viewing images of child exploitation, this was a big sign of things to come (previously to this law they were very free to do anything on the internet). I think it was also 2012 when the ROMS license was discontinued (making websites like AllofMp3, legalsounds.com illegal in Russia).

Roskomnadzor has used this new legislation to censor any website it wants to, drug, copyright, defamation, they'll find any excuse.

Here is a good article summarizing Vkontakte's recent copyright events: https://torrentfreak.com/russias-facebook-prepares-to-make-p...

They will be killing entire ecosystems of websites using Vk (video, image and audio), Pavel is against this but will get raided or censored for not complying.

It's been going downhill quickly for the past 2 years and shows my signs of slowing down.

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noteworthy11y ago

His list of reasons has been building up for years.

However, Telegram has stated it will never charge or have ads, so my theory is he will be making more websites in the future, hopefully he will make websites which embrace his Libertarian ideals.

mtrimpeOP11y ago

Thanks for the comprehensive overview! Sounds about right to me. I hadn't heard about the 'pirate website' law though. Do you have some more info on that?

Also, just to be clear, I wasn't arguing that the Ukraine conflict caused his departure. Just that it was at least a contributing factor and at worst the straw that broke the camel's back.

noteworthy11y ago

*2013 not 2012, my bad.

https://technology.ihs.com/440359/russia-introduces-first-on...

Roskomnadzor has used this new legislation to censor any website it wants to, drug, copyright, defamation, they'll find any excuse.

Here is a good article summarizing Vkontakte's recent copyright events: https://torrentfreak.com/russias-facebook-prepares-to-make-p...

They will be killing entire ecosystems of websites using Vk (video, image and audio), Pavel is against this but will get raided or censored for not complying.

It's been going downhill quickly for the past 2 years and shows my signs of slowing down.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse