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0 pointsameister1411y ago0 comments

Technically I believe he designed both, though his designs were implemented more in the F16 than F15.

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Out of curiosity do you have a source for that?

Everything I've ever read about the guy as well as teen series of aircraft (F14, F15, F16 and F18) say he hated the F15 from the start.

ameister14OP11y ago

I do, actually; he says it himself in the video. And the F15 didn't start as a multi-purpose fighter; it started as a single-purpose fighter. It was when the bureaucratic process started that the design of the plane changed and arguably ruined the design.

greedo11y ago

Ruined? You've got to be kidding.

The motto when the Eagle was being designed was "Not a pound for air to ground." This was consistent through the A model to the C model. But a funny thing happens when you design an aircraft with incredible performance; it can often succeed in secondary roles. This was true of the F-15, and it was also true of the F-14. This isn't something new, it harkens back to WW2 with the P-47.

Considering the success of the F-15 in all of it's models, I'd love to see what you consider is ruined about its design.

hga11y ago

And as I've been reading in Fire In The Sky: The Air War In The South Pacific (http://www.amazon.com/Fire-In-The-Sky-Pacific/dp/0813338697/), also many other 2nd generation US WWII air superiority fighters (2nd generation are those after the Wildcat and P-40). Could also fire rockets, and the author says in theory (and assuming you hit the target, a bit of trick back then), a salvo of 5 inch ones would roughly equal a destroyer's broadside.

noir_lord11y ago

> it harkens back to WW2 with the P-47.

Also true of the Hawker Typhoon, built as a balls to the wall interceptor turned into a very very good light bomber.

stcredzero11y ago

Someone managed to put enough thrust on the thing, such that the design couldn't get too ruined. The F-15 has enough thrust to fly a brick! One landed safely with a wing torn off by a mid-air collision.

noir_lord11y ago

Partially it was thrust that allowed the one with no wing to land but also that the fuselage was designed as a lifting body itself creating significant lift.

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noir_lord11y ago

Out of curiosity do you have a source for that?

Everything I've ever read about the guy as well as teen series of aircraft (F14, F15, F16 and F18) say he hated the F15 from the start.

ameister14OP11y ago

greedo11y ago

Ruined? You've got to be kidding.

Considering the success of the F-15 in all of it's models, I'd love to see what you consider is ruined about its design.

hga11y ago

noir_lord11y ago

> it harkens back to WW2 with the P-47.

Also true of the Hawker Typhoon, built as a balls to the wall interceptor turned into a very very good light bomber.

stcredzero11y ago

noir_lord11y ago

Partially it was thrust that allowed the one with no wing to land but also that the fuselage was designed as a lifting body itself creating significant lift.

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