I experienced this sort of condescension all through medical school, and my experience is not unique. There is nothing more embarrassing, deflating, and discouraging than being made to feel like an idiot in front of your peers because you could not recall a piece of information, or because a question of yours was deemed too basic and simple for an expert to waste their time answering. That is how you stunt curiosity and instill destructive self-doubt. My most beloved teachers are those who exercised patience and did not treat any question as beneath them. I didn't take advantage of it. In fact, I was more motivated to learn and to return to discuss new ideas and concepts.
This reflects on a wider social view in which coming across as ignorant or not knowing the answer to a question is perceived as a sign of weakness. If you don't know something, you don't admit it and instead bullshit your way to perceived expertise.
My point is, people who do this are a net negative to your growth and society at large. It's taken me a while to grow comfortable with not knowing a lot, and to accept that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. When I encounter people like this, I view them as nothing more than assholes who are not worth interacting with, and move on to finding the answer I need. What saddens me is that there are many who are stopped dead on their path to learning.
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Anecdotally speaking, such people know more than a beginner, but are very, very far from being an expert themselves.
On a board dedicated to learning English you can see people who can barely speak English scoff at "noobs" who can't tell the difference between "some" and "any". Math forums are full of people who never progressed beyond undergrad math laughing at those who have hard time distinguishing between contrapositive and contradiction.
It's a symptom of mediocrity and the vast majority of us, humans, are mediocre.
I've met some assholes who are experts. It's just that real experts are rare, asshole or not.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1035008/what-is-the-diffe...
Plenty of very smart people have spent lots of time thinking about basic questions.
Our brains optimize very aggressively when it comes to mastery. Our old "the beginner's mind" neural connections are some of the first to go. The ability to empathize (via modeling said mind) is "optimized away" with them.
People say that "Those who cannot do, teach," but the corollary -- "Those who do, cannot teach" -- often applies, as well.
I'm also not saying anything about empathizing, even just an intellectual appreciation for somebody learning your matter should be enough to not lash out and be a dick. And it surprised me that there are so many that fail to bring up even that little appreciation.
>If you’ve ever tried to learn a new skill, you’ve experienced that range of reaction.
I actually haven't, because in the case of let's say, programming, I learned most everything myself. I read and google'd instead of bothering other people for every little problem.
I'm really not trying to be a jerk - honest - but hearing the same very simple questions asked again and again is tiring. Try to put yourself in the shoes of the "jack asses". Maybe they act like this for a reason, they are humans just like you after all.
I know that I don't mind helping but it sometime feels "like people never learn", imho that's often why others won't help you or will groan at your cluelessness. Most of the time you could google your questions and get an answer immediately, that's what I did and that's still what I do. This is especially true for Python, what you're learning. You can often just copy paste a working piece of code from the very first result, no thinking involved.
>The difference between the knowledgeable and the ignorant is that the knowledgeable took it on the chin, and kept going.
That's where I disagree. If you really need help, and if you at least tried to find a solution, mention it and people will help you. I will personally go out of my way to help you if it looks like you actually want and try to learn.
Questions like “What’s the difference between a list and a set?” and “A server does what?” show that you haven't done your homework ! It's a bit rude to expect people to spoonfeed you all the way and then call them assholes when they get bored of it.
>When people scoff at your questions, just move on until you find the answer. Know that up front, and when you see it, ignore it.
Or perhaps, try to understand why they scoff at your question in the first place. Calling them "ass holes" and ignoring the issue seems a bit short sighted.
>Just know when people balk at your badge, it’s means you are on the right path. Keep pushing.
Maybe "Try smarter not harder" ?
I'll finally just point you to this thing (http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) which is a tad extreme in my opinion, but makes its point extremely clear if you can manage to read through it without calling the author a pretentious asshole and just closing the tab.
There are many ways to learn, and not everyone is capable of teaching themselves complex skills (even with access to Google). For many, social learning - being taught - is crucial.
> It's a bit rude to expect people to spoonfeed you all the way and then call them assholes when they get bored of it.
Your opinions aren't unpopular because they're wrong, and I sympathize with some of what you're saying, but statements like this (the word "spoonfeed" to describe the answer to an uneducated question in particular makes me uncomfortable) do make you sound like an asshole and someone not to be approached by a social learner.
And that's perfectly fine, it's not my place to tell people how they should be learning. What I'm trying to say, is that the simple skills, the basics, the 101 is something you should be able to find on your own. Because often it really is the first result on Google, without exaggerating. I don't mind at all teaching and talking to people, that's much more enjoyable and does work better for some poeple.
>but statements like this (the word "spoonfeed" to describe the answer to an uneducated question in particular makes me uncomfortable) do make you sound like an asshole and someone not to be approached by a social learner.
I'm sorry about that. I'm being particularly blunt to get my point across, maybe I shouldn't.
What bothered me is that it seemed to me, and perhaps I'm wrong, that the author was being unfairly aggressive and judgmental without trying to understand the position of the very people he's insulting.
The problem is the sheer number of people who do not know they can just use Wikipedia and Google, all of they who ask one question and either never reply again or ignore advice no matter the form.
But perhaps you're right, maybe if the "assholes" as Emile Petrone call them tried to be more gentle, people would actually listen to them.
Why? Because I like the implicit acknowledgement of my superiority? Because people who think they're great when they aren't are annoying? Who knows. Note that I'm not condoning my own behavior here, just observing it.
