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0 pointsfrik11y ago0 comments

Mono is open source and free software. Because of the "single static binary" policy (no dynamic linking) of app stores you have to obtain a proprietary license from Xamarin.

• The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and the GNU General Public License (GPL).

• The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL).

• The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0 (LGPL 2.0).

• The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11 license.

and:

When do I need to obtain a license from Xamarin to the Mono Runtime?

We only require licensing for uses of Mono and Moonlight on embedded systems, or systems where you are unable to fulfill the obligations of the GNU LGPL.

source: http://www.mono-project.com/docs/faq/licensing/

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gillianseed11y ago

>We only require licensing for uses of Mono and Moonlight on embedded systems, or systems where you are unable to fulfill the obligations of the GNU LGPL.

In other words, you have to pay a license fee for shipping the Mono runtime in a proprietary game, which is what Unity does.

So Unity has negotiated a license deal with Xamarin for the Mono runtime version they use, and if they want to use a newer version they will have to pay more, which they aren't doing.

Instead Unity has developed il2cpp which means that they no longer have to ship the mono runtime with each game and therefore no longer have to pay the license fee for shipping mono.

Atleast that's what I've gathered.

mnglkhn211y ago

Unity has negotiated a license with Novell. Now they would have to do it again with Xamarin for the newer version of Mono. But we don't know if Unity was really nice to the Mono guys when Novell pushed out what would quickly become Xamarin. As always, if it were only money things would be simpler. But if there is some beef things will drag.

Plus, Unity has forked Mono and they contribute to their own internal version. At the same time they are working hard on their own proprietary il2cpp (to export to C++). The writing is clear: they will drag things as long as possible with using their old version of Mono until they are able to switch to il2cpp.

My personal opinion is that Xamarin guys are better at Mono and that UE4 coupled w. Mono/C# might put quite a bit of pressure on Unity.

gillianseed11y ago

>Unity has negotiated a license with Novell. Now they would have to do it again with Xamarin for the newer version of Mono.

Ah, so the deal was before Xamarin bought the rights to Mono from Attachmate/Novell, I didn't know that.

>At the same time they are working hard on their own proprietary il2cpp (to export to C++). The writing is clear: they will drag things as long as possible with using their old version of Mono until they are able to switch to il2cpp.

From what I understood they would still ship Mono as part of Unity (as in development framework), however what they want to avoid is the license costs that comes with shipping the Mono runtime with each Unity game, hence il2cpp, but perhaps I'm mistaken here ?

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the_why_of_y11y ago

You can bundle LGPL libraries with proprietary applications quite easily; it just has to be possible for the user to replace it, which is rarely a problem because the usual situation is that your proprietary code sits "above" the LGPL library.

But reportedly Apple does not allow LGPL in its app store for some reason.

gillianseed11y ago

Well there are likely lots of potential markets where a prerequisite of allowing the end user to swap out LGPL libraries won't be accepted (sadly), not only Apple but the consoles as well, so from that perspective Unity needs to buy a license which allows them to forego the LGPL requirements.

MrDom11y ago

It's not just mono they need, it's the IDE. The default IDE that comes with Unity is MonoDevelop. If they upgraded the runtime, they'd have to pay for Xamarin's IDE. I wonder if embedding the java runtime would have been cheaper in the long run.

jstedfast11y ago

Our IDE is free for anyone to use, whether you are using our iOS, Android or Mac products or not. It's also open source (except for the addins that work with our iOS, Android and Mac products).

There are a lot of Unity customers on our forums using Xamarin Studio already.

Alphasite_11y ago

How would that work with the App store now, since you can dynamically link to frameworks?

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0 pointsfrik11y ago0 comments

Mono is open source and free software. Because of the "single static binary" policy (no dynamic linking) of app stores you have to obtain a proprietary license from Xamarin.

• The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and the GNU General Public License (GPL).

• The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL).

• The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0 (LGPL 2.0).

• The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11 license.

and:

When do I need to obtain a license from Xamarin to the Mono Runtime?

We only require licensing for uses of Mono and Moonlight on embedded systems, or systems where you are unable to fulfill the obligations of the GNU LGPL.

source: http://www.mono-project.com/docs/faq/licensing/

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gillianseed11y ago

>We only require licensing for uses of Mono and Moonlight on embedded systems, or systems where you are unable to fulfill the obligations of the GNU LGPL.

In other words, you have to pay a license fee for shipping the Mono runtime in a proprietary game, which is what Unity does.

So Unity has negotiated a license deal with Xamarin for the Mono runtime version they use, and if they want to use a newer version they will have to pay more, which they aren't doing.

Instead Unity has developed il2cpp which means that they no longer have to ship the mono runtime with each game and therefore no longer have to pay the license fee for shipping mono.

Atleast that's what I've gathered.

mnglkhn211y ago

My personal opinion is that Xamarin guys are better at Mono and that UE4 coupled w. Mono/C# might put quite a bit of pressure on Unity.

gillianseed11y ago

>Unity has negotiated a license with Novell. Now they would have to do it again with Xamarin for the newer version of Mono.

Ah, so the deal was before Xamarin bought the rights to Mono from Attachmate/Novell, I didn't know that.

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the_why_of_y11y ago

But reportedly Apple does not allow LGPL in its app store for some reason.

gillianseed11y ago

MrDom11y ago

jstedfast11y ago

Our IDE is free for anyone to use, whether you are using our iOS, Android or Mac products or not. It's also open source (except for the addins that work with our iOS, Android and Mac products).

There are a lot of Unity customers on our forums using Xamarin Studio already.

Alphasite_11y ago

How would that work with the App store now, since you can dynamically link to frameworks?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse