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0 pointsbduerst11y ago0 comments

So is it a PaaS like Google App Engine? Is it just an MVC like angular or ember?

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No, it's a full-stack framework, using Node.js on the server and sending down a client app bundle containing all HTML templates and JS. The client and server then communicate exclusively with JSON through a purpose-invented pubsub WebSockets/SockJS protocol they call DDP. The client has a simulated MongoDB database and thus much of the API is isomorphic, so the client will simulate the server's code while it awaits the actual server response. Client changes to the data are immediately effected in the browser DB, while the change is authorized on the server, synced to other server instances with MongoDB oplog, and then pushed down to all clients subscribed to that data. The templating engine is then reactively informed of the data change, and the DOM is updated at the lowest level possible such as modifying an individual text node.

ak3911y ago

Thanks for this info.

Does it have to use Node.js on the server can the client side framework work with any server side JSON service?

sbking11y ago

You need to be running the Node.js Meteor application. The client relies on DDP rather than REST and right now Meteor is the only server framework using DDP. There is, however, an isomorphic HTTP library which makes it easy to communicate with third party REST APIs on both the client and server. It is also easy to create REST endpoints for your Meteor collections, so that third party services which don't support DDP can communicate with your app.

It is very possible to use other client side frameworks such as Angular or Polymer, rather than just using Meteor's Blaze UI engine. However I find that Blaze's Template<--Helper<--Data<--Event system is extremely easy to understand and reason about.

Edit: Actually, they do seem to have a decoupled version of the Blaze UI that you could use just for your reactive DOM code and hook into a REST API. You just won't get any of the server-dependent features like full-stack automated data synchronization, hot-reload, live CSS injection, or Meteor's build chain. You just get a simple reactive template/helper/events system. http://meteor.github.io/blaze/

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Wintamute11y ago

I think it has to be Node.js all the way down.

tvararu11y ago

Spot-on explanation, wish I could be so coherent when trying to explain Meteor to other people.

sbking11y ago

It seems like too much magic until you've been exposed to it a bit. It's actually pretty simple to visualize what's going on under the hood, but it takes a bit to click. Reading the DDP spec and the tracker package definitely helped me grasp the concepts. The new subprojects page is also great at explaining the major Meteor components: https://www.meteor.com/projects

joshowens11y ago

It is not a PaaS, it is a framework that goes a bit further than previous frameworks. Angular and ember really just work for front-end code.

Meteor spans both the front-end and back-end to offer a seamless API experience when building your application.

aikah11y ago

It's basically something like Java Server Face in javascript,which can be a good and a bad idea...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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sbking11y ago

ak3911y ago

Thanks for this info.

Does it have to use Node.js on the server can the client side framework work with any server side JSON service?

sbking11y ago

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Wintamute11y ago

I think it has to be Node.js all the way down.

tvararu11y ago

Spot-on explanation, wish I could be so coherent when trying to explain Meteor to other people.

sbking11y ago

joshowens11y ago

It is not a PaaS, it is a framework that goes a bit further than previous frameworks. Angular and ember really just work for front-end code.

Meteor spans both the front-end and back-end to offer a seamless API experience when building your application.

aikah11y ago

It's basically something like Java Server Face in javascript,which can be a good and a bad idea...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse