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0 pointsexelius11y ago0 comments

So you'd be ok if they called it HTTP/1.2?

Snark aside, it's a standardized way of allowing different architectural patterns that can benefit use cases we haven't even seen yet. Yes, those architecture patterns currently benefit large corporations, but they're not being implemented at the expense of anything else. HTTP is a remarkably complete and flexible protocol.

What other benefits were you expecting to see that aren't already part of HTTP/1.1?

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striking11y ago

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8825001:

  * no more easy debugging on the wire
  * another TCP like implementation inside the HTTP protocol
  * tons of binary data rather than text
  * a whole slew of features that we don't really need but that please some corporate sponsor because their feature made it in

  * continuing, damaging and absurd lack of DNS and IPv6 considerations
    * most notably the omission of any discussion of endpoint resolution

Fixing anything related to DNS, DNSSEC, IPv6, or anything else would have made this closer to "HTTP/2."

And as I said in another thread: yes. Calling it HTTP/1.2 would actually have made me a little happier. This isn't the next new, big thing. This is a minor improvement, if not a minor regression.

enneff11y ago

You do realise that the overwhelming majority (99%) of HTTP traffic is transferred to or from large companies like Google and Facebook? If it benefits their clients, then it benefits most of the web. HTTP/2 is particularly beneficial for the developing world, where latencies are higher. The world is bigger than you.

Also WTF does HTTP have to do with DNS, DNSSEC, and IPv6? Talk about layering violations...

Also, I think a total wire-protocol change warrants a major version number increase, not that it matters at all.

exeliusOP11y ago

I don't think anyone's selling it as the next new, big thing. It's just a version increment on HTTP; the one that includes DNS/DNSSEC/IPv6 changes can be called HTTP/3000 for all I care. You don't have to use these features if you don't like; they may make sites from companies like Google harder to reverse engineer, but HTTP is currently used for a lot more than text data. You just seem to confuse "corporations want it" with "bad".

And honestly, IPv6 is probably the biggest "big corporate" feature out there. Any big company providing access to more than 16 million devices (and yes, they do exist) has a very urgent need since the 10.0.0.0/8 network only contains ~16 million addresses.

At the end of the day, it's only a standard. As proven by SPDY, "big corporations" like Google are going to implement whatever the heck they want to, then ask for it to be included in the standard. I'm all for a system that makes it easier for companies to get their technologies standardized as part of an open standard - they're spending the investment dollars, but we all benefit from the capability.

lucian190011y ago

Wait, it being a binary protocol is a good thing. No longer will we have proxies mangling Upgrade handshakes and such.

Header compression, server push and proper multiplexing (which avoids all the problems with pipelining) are all features most applications will benefit from.

cpeterso11y ago

Network debugging tools like Wireshark will have pretty printers for HTTP/2, just like they do for TCP/IP.

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