[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_well_fire#Extinguishing_the...
They both do retard access of oxidizer of course, but then so does nearly every other extinguishing method, starting from fire blankets.
They both use shockwaves to smother the fire. Seems like the same mechanism to me, and also a very similar concept.
No clue why you posted that then almost contradicted that line with:
> They both do retard access of oxidizer of course, but then so does nearly every other extinguishing method, starting from fire blankets.
Seems like you just wanted to be disagreeable for the sake of it, but then rolled back your disagreement almost completely one line later.
While I could see the benefit for the scenarios they listed (aircraft, space shuttles, etc) I actually think the real killer use could be for forest fires.
With forest fires you're constantly running out of water, and the only way to ship it the location it is needed is often multi-hour drives (which consume a lot of fuel).
If this concept worked then instead of moving water from A to B you only now have to worry about an energy source (e.g. diesel). So you could drive up a truck with generator on it and diesel in a fireproof tank, and then spend hours extinguishing fires.
Now, yes, fires can reignite. However that is also true with water, water evaporates extremely quickly from an area that was on fire both because that area is extremely dry, because of the ambient heat, and also because it likely started out hot to begin with.
PS - Fire retardants help keeping fires out, but they're bad for the environment and are also hard to keep supplied in remote areas, and when you're refilling directly from a river.
Fire has to have three things to burn, Fuel, Oxygen, and Heat. This is called the fire tetrahedron, and is the primary theory behind fire fighting. If you eliminate one, then the fire is unable to maintain a chemical reaction, and goes out.
With forest fires you're constantly running out of water, and the only way to ship it the location it is needed is often multi-hour drives (which consume a lot of fuel).
Most forest fires are not fought with water, they use fuel reduction to control the fire and eventually starve it of fuel. This is why forest fires are multi-week, or even seasonal events, because you essentially have to dig a fuel free line around the entirety of a fire to starve it of fuel, so that it eventually burns it's self out. On the largest of fires, it usually is a game of trying to drive the fire in the direction you want it to burn, and waiting for a weather event, such as a rain storm, to either put the fire out, or bed the fire down enough that you can put a line around it and contain it.
Now, yes, fires can reignite. However that is also true with water, water evaporates extremely quickly from an area that was on fire both because that area is extremely dry, because of the ambient heat, and also because it likely started out hot to begin with.
With water in direct firefighting you are removing one side of the fire tetrahedron, heat. In a small fire, say a house, you are able to use enough water, to overcome the number of BTUs that the fire is creating, via steam conversion. Water expands to steam at a ratio of 1:1700. In structure firefighting, you can put out a small room fire with a quick burst of water, say 20 - 30 gallons, and through steam conversion(because steam is still much cooler then fire) put the fire out. You will then have to follow up and cool of the remainder of the room.
In large urban fires, the use of water is less about putting the fire out, as much as controlling the expansion of the fire, and limiting it to the original building/location, and waiting for the fire to burn it's self out. Even with 20 or 30 fire trucks pumping 1000s of gallons of water, large fires produce more heat then we are capable of dissipating, so we again wait for fuel to be starved, and the chemical reaction to reduce.
Fire retardants help keeping fires out, but they're bad for the environment and are also hard to keep supplied in remote areas, and when you're refilling directly from a river.
Most fire retardants that are used in active firefighting are 100% biodegradable. Almost all toxic(and even the ones that are still legal, have a diminishing lifespan as they have been banned from being further produced, see Halon fire extinguishers for an example.) have been removed, both for environmental, and firefighter safety.
The problem that I see with device, is that is does not have the capability to scale. To be able to remove 100% of the oxygen from an environment, even the small size that they are testing on, is not realistic. When you begin to get to large fires, you are talking about having to move millions of cubic feet of oxygen, and what are you replacing that air with? They are using this on a very small fire with very volatile fuel(rubbing alcohol). My guess would be that they are not only using sound waves, but that they are getting a certain amount of air movement that is also helping with extinguish, as they are also changing the fuel to air ratio that the fire needs to burn, thus putting the fire out.
There is billions of dollars spent each year to perfect fire extinguish, and I would believe that if it was as easy as pointing a sub woofer at a fire and putting it out, we would all have sub woofers in our ceilings, not water pipes and sprinklers.
Experience: I spent 10 years in the structural and wildland fire service as a volunteer where we had an average of 100 house fires a year, and 30 wildland fires a summer.
It is hard to appreciate the difference between a small localized fire (energy drops off quadratically with distance from fire) and a small line brush fire (energy drops off only linearly with distance from fire) without personal experience.
I can't even conceive of the difference between a small line brush fire and one of the 40-50 ft seasonal conflagrations in Australia or Southern California.
Good luck blowing out a forest fire!
Best illustrated when you throw a match at a small container of gasoline, and it flies into the gas, and is put out by the fuel. But if you slowly move it towards the gas, eventually it will start a fire, because the match passes slowly enough through the right air mixture to allow the gas to burn.
Get something that makes that kind of noise next to a fire, then something on the other side of the noise (away from the fire) that either dampens or cancels the noise travelling away from the fire, and they might be onto something.
Not to dumb it down, but I can see this being an effective tool for preventing grease flare-ups in my grill. It won't cool the coals, but it will kill the flames.
I mean is it a new discovery that some frequencies create resonance and stop the convection and prevent oxygenation of the flame?
Or is it just using sheer power to "blow" the flame off? but instead of a blower, it just uses very high powered speaker in low frequency?
I'm a bit rusty on my physics, but I suspect what happens is that it measures the sound when it reflects back and adjusts the frequency of the wave to put the reflection in phase with the original wave. The sum of the forward and backward components creates the standing wave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave
Alternately, maybe the rapid switching between high/low pressure is enough to do it without any standing wave shenanigans. I'd guess not, but it's not my area of expertise.
As long as you can continue to "suppress it momentarily" long enough for the material to cool below its ignition point, you've solved the problem.
Or you could equipate an electric ashtray with this.