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0 pointsclouddrover6y ago0 comments

> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure

I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity (https://ionity.eu/en/about.html). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas).

ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their make and model. EVs should also be able to charge at any charging station regardless of the brand.

Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then when will Tesla convert their fast chargers to CCS and allow all EVs to charge at them?

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xedeon6y ago

If you're not aware, Tesla since the beginning has offered other legacy auto manufacturers unfettered access to the supercharger network if they agree to shoulder the cost. Not a SINGLE one took them up on the offer!

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...

rainyMammoth6y ago

This is the same strawman as Apple with the open "Thunderbolt" specs.

They open it up and hope other people will adopt it with the goal of profiting Apple that still controls the specs.

In addition they can also claim that other players are bad players because they didn't use the "open" specs.

That's not how it should work. Other EV makers are doing this correctly with an open consortium. A single brand (Tesla) shouldn't dictate what standards to use.

xedeon6y ago

The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. The CCS consortium instead of adopting it, instead got together and developed CCS.

The CCS consortium (composed of mainly GM and german manufacturers) is also not without fault... They completely ignored the already established CHAdeMO standard, because it's developed by five major Japanese automakers. But it seems that Tesla gets all the flak, when the reality is the whole industry do not wan't to hash it out.

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clouddroverOP6y ago

No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. You're avoiding the question rather than answering it.

CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

xedeon6y ago

Take a step back and listen to yourself.

> No one else will adopt Tesla's standard.

Why won't they? They don't have to pay any licensing fees and would save $$ on R&D.

> CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today.

Because Tesla have chosen to adapt it or at least provide Tesla owners an adaptor for CCS/ChadeMo. Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network? Give me a good reason why.

> When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

Let me just phone a Tesla VP and ask. /s Are you seriously asking this?

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kwhitefoot6y ago

The Model 3 in Europe uses CCS and many (perhaps most) of the stations here in Norway already have CCS connectors.

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0 pointsclouddrover6y ago0 comments

> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure

ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their make and model. EVs should also be able to charge at any charging station regardless of the brand.

Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then when will Tesla convert their fast chargers to CCS and allow all EVs to charge at them?

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xedeon6y ago

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...

rainyMammoth6y ago

This is the same strawman as Apple with the open "Thunderbolt" specs.

They open it up and hope other people will adopt it with the goal of profiting Apple that still controls the specs.

In addition they can also claim that other players are bad players because they didn't use the "open" specs.

That's not how it should work. Other EV makers are doing this correctly with an open consortium. A single brand (Tesla) shouldn't dictate what standards to use.

xedeon6y ago

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clouddroverOP6y ago

No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. You're avoiding the question rather than answering it.

CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

xedeon6y ago

Take a step back and listen to yourself.

> No one else will adopt Tesla's standard.

Why won't they? They don't have to pay any licensing fees and would save $$ on R&D.

> CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today.

Because Tesla have chosen to adapt it or at least provide Tesla owners an adaptor for CCS/ChadeMo. Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network? Give me a good reason why.

> When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

Let me just phone a Tesla VP and ask. /s Are you seriously asking this?

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kwhitefoot6y ago

The Model 3 in Europe uses CCS and many (perhaps most) of the stations here in Norway already have CCS connectors.

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