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0 pointsbmitc1y ago0 comments

For modern .NET, you don't need to know anything about the legacy terms of Mono, .NET Core, .NET Framework, .NET Standard, etc. All you need is .NET 8 SDK. It's fully-cross platform and installs support for both C# and F#.

For example, just download .NET 8 SDK on whatever platform, which is usually very easy on most platforms, and then run `dotnet fsi` to get into an F# REPL.

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safety1st1y ago

This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-... So you can just apt install dotnet-sdk-8.0.

This must be the most unfriendly Linux install documentation I've ever seen though, it was not easy to find the names of those packages.

frankjr1y ago

> This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now?

It's not. Microsoft provides its own apt repository you need to add first.

sander10951y ago

Some distributions have it in the standard apt repo, like Ubuntu.

notpushkin1y ago

It's in a bunch of other distros, though: https://repology.org/project/dotnet/badges

safety1st1y ago

This is from Mint 22. MS does have its own PPA though.

$ apt search dotnet

p dotnet-apphost-pack-6.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-apphost-pack-7.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-apphost-pack-8.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-host - dotNET host command line p dotnet-host-7.0 - dotNET host command line p dotnet-host-8.0 - .NET host command line p dotnet-hostfxr-6.0 - dotNET host resolver p dotnet-hostfxr-7.0 - dotNET host resolver p dotnet-hostfxr-8.0 - .NET host resolver p dotnet-runtime-6.0 - dotNET runtime p dotnet-runtime-7.0 - dotNET runtime p dotnet-runtime-8.0 - .NET runtime p dotnet-runtime-dbg-8.0 - .NET Runtime debug symbols. p dotnet-sdk-6.0 - dotNET 6.0 Software Development Kit p dotnet-sdk-6.0-source-built-arti - Internal package for building dotNet 6.0 So p dotnet-sdk-7.0 - dotNET 7.0 Software Development Kit p dotnet-sdk-7.0-source-built-arti - Internal package for building dotNet 7.0 So p dotnet-sdk-8.0 - .NET 8.0 Software Development Kit p dotnet-sdk-8.0-source-built-arti - Internal package for building the .NET 8.0 p dotnet-sdk-dbg-8.0 - .NET SDK debug symbols. p dotnet-targeting-pack-6.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-targeting-pack-7.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-targeting-pack-8.0 - Internal - targeting pack for Microsoft.NET p dotnet-templates-6.0 - dotNET 6.0 templates p dotnet-templates-7.0 - dotNET 7.0 templates p dotnet-templates-8.0 - .NET 8.0 templates p dotnet6 - dotNET CLI tools and runtime p dotnet7 - dotNET CLI tools and runtime p dotnet8 - .NET CLI tools and runtime p libgtk-dotnet3.0-cil - GTK.NET library p libgtk-dotnet3.0-cil-dev - GTK.NET library - development files

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Intralexical1y ago

Huh, why isn't it in?

Does it not meet the DFSG?

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bmitcOP1y ago

What's unfriendly about just clicking through the options? Anytime I want to install .NET, I just go to that exact documentation, click on the distribution I want (usually Ubuntu), and then just click on the version (https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-...). I almost always use Microsoft's feeds though, so as to not rely on the middleman of the Ubuntu package manager feeds.

posguy1y ago

Ubuntu is a subpar package maintainer, but in well run distros that middleman who does the packaging makes an effort to ensure you are getting a stable, performant package, and tries to catch eratta or abusive practices that upstream starts pushing (say, Microsoft opening Edge when you run wget or curl in the terminal, rather than calling the real wget or curl).

nickcox1y ago

> This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now?

It's been there for several years now, hasn't it?

gymbeaux1y ago

Not Debian, but some Debian-based distros

tomkarho1y ago

> It's fully-cross platform

To a point. Making cross platform native desktop apps is still in the hands of 3rd party vendors such as Avalonia and Uno. MAUI was supposed to fix that oversight to a less than stellar results.

rahkiin1y ago

That is like saying C is not cross platform because there is not a library for making desktop apps that use native components on all those platforms.

quietbritishjim1y ago

If there were an old version of C that only worked on one platform but had a graphical toolkit in its standard library, and a new version of C that is cross platform but that graphical toolkit is now ambiguously still sort-of part of the standard library but still not cross platform (and there was no realistic alternative)... Then yes it would be valid to object C is not really cross platform.

pantalaimon1y ago

back when .NET was first launched it was advertised as the new way of making desktop applications on Windows. Visual C# made it very easy to design GUI interfaces.

So this "it's all for backend now" notion is surprising.

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kuschku1y ago

.NET/C#'s competitor JVM/Kotlin does provide a UI framework (Jetbrains Compose) that runs on iOS, Android, Windows, Mac, Linux, and the web.

That's what you have to compare against, and .NET/C# falls flat.

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gymbeaux1y ago

Oh my god I forgot about .NET Standard. What were they thinking…

bmitcOP1y ago

While I don't have much direct experience with it, as it was easy to migrate my personal projects, it seemed the idea was sound. It seemed like it was a way to encourage people to write libraries against the new .NET Core (at the time) but still allow those libraries to be used in .NET Framework as a sort of bridge for people stuck on .NET Framework.

anymouse1234561y ago

PSA for new players.

Do not under any circumstance trust Microsoft for anything at all.

They have a decades-long history of treating their best customers with contempt.

They will break or deprecate whatever you rely on, and they will do it without warning.

nobodyandproud1y ago

If only. Class libraries still have to worry about this.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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safety1st1y ago

This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-... So you can just apt install dotnet-sdk-8.0.

This must be the most unfriendly Linux install documentation I've ever seen though, it was not easy to find the names of those packages.

frankjr1y ago

> This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now?

It's not. Microsoft provides its own apt repository you need to add first.

sander10951y ago

Some distributions have it in the standard apt repo, like Ubuntu.

notpushkin1y ago

It's in a bunch of other distros, though: https://repology.org/project/dotnet/badges

safety1st1y ago

This is from Mint 22. MS does have its own PPA though.

$ apt search dotnet

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Intralexical1y ago

Huh, why isn't it in?

Does it not meet the DFSG?

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bmitcOP1y ago

posguy1y ago

nickcox1y ago

> This is wild, apparently this stuff is in the Debian repos now?

It's been there for several years now, hasn't it?

gymbeaux1y ago

Not Debian, but some Debian-based distros

tomkarho1y ago

> It's fully-cross platform

To a point. Making cross platform native desktop apps is still in the hands of 3rd party vendors such as Avalonia and Uno. MAUI was supposed to fix that oversight to a less than stellar results.

rahkiin1y ago

That is like saying C is not cross platform because there is not a library for making desktop apps that use native components on all those platforms.

quietbritishjim1y ago

pantalaimon1y ago

back when .NET was first launched it was advertised as the new way of making desktop applications on Windows. Visual C# made it very easy to design GUI interfaces.

So this "it's all for backend now" notion is surprising.

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kuschku1y ago

.NET/C#'s competitor JVM/Kotlin does provide a UI framework (Jetbrains Compose) that runs on iOS, Android, Windows, Mac, Linux, and the web.

That's what you have to compare against, and .NET/C# falls flat.

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gymbeaux1y ago

Oh my god I forgot about .NET Standard. What were they thinking…

bmitcOP1y ago

anymouse1234561y ago

PSA for new players.

Do not under any circumstance trust Microsoft for anything at all.

They have a decades-long history of treating their best customers with contempt.

They will break or deprecate whatever you rely on, and they will do it without warning.

nobodyandproud1y ago

If only. Class libraries still have to worry about this.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse