3D Army Land Navigation Courses (opens in new tab)

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99 pointsb_mc211mo ago46 comments

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How to play:

1. scattered throughout the level are flagpoles with two-letter names on the flag

2. you are given a list of numeric coordinates which are locations to a subset of the flagpoles, in the format (map section)(xx.xx)(yy.yy), as well that of as your starting point

3. the objective is to navigate to those coordinates to record the two-letter names of those flags. A UI will open when you walk up to each flag asking if you want to fill in the answer.

4. you are given a map with the corresponding xy grids delineated, place the mini flags according to the given coordinates to help locate yourself on the map. (remember that your starting coordinate is given to you as well)

5. the game ends when you have filled out all of the coordinates' corresponding two-letter names, at which point the correct answer will be revealed for you to compare.

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

At least in the desert map, the "paths" drawn on the map seem meaningless (not visible in the world). I found my first flag simply by going in the right heading (after correcting for magnetic deviation) and going the expected distance (60 steps per 100 meters, I assume). I'm not sure that's how you're supposed to do land nav IRL...

Also, there are decoy flags that aren't on the list.

Edit: In the "forest" map the paths make sense but I'm pretty sure the map or flag coordinates are slighly off (with a flag being on a different side of a path than indicated by the coordinates).

xeonmc11mo ago

On a side note, I feel like this could be recreated as a Minecraft mod, it already has procedural terrain, the waypoints can be placed procedurally as well, and the maps can be generated from height data automatically.

sdkgames11mo ago

How to play is explained here [1]

By the way you can run the games locally. Just download all files.

For the forest game you would have a local directory:

   ├── Build
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.code.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.framework.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.memory.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.data.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.json
   │   └── UnityLoader.js
   └── index.html

then just run the following in the directory

    python3 -m http.server

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74KM792gbo

gonzalohm11mo ago

And how do you download the files?

sdkgames11mo ago

1. One can use the browser's devtools (press F12 when browsing the site) to figure out the needed files.

2. Create a list of the files (files.txt).

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/Build/Buil...

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/Build/Unit...

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/index.html

3. Download the files using the browser or a downloader:

      wget --input-file=files.txt --show-progress --directory-prefix=forest --force-directories

teeray11mo ago

I didn't know the objective, so I created my own simple one: get to the lake because I'm thirsty. Then I created another one: get back to where I started so I can bring water to my injured companion.

UncleEntity11mo ago

Back when I was in the army the objective when doing individual land nav was: go hide in the woods until around the time to go back. Of course there was a bit of walking because we never started and ended at the same place so you had to have some familiarity with finding your way in the woods. Once in a while they would go out and change the point numbers around, usually when it was an actual test, so you had to know actual land navigation skills if you didn't want remedial training on the weekends.

The last land nav course I ever did was in the reserves and in the mountains. Instead of traipsing through the underbrush I just followed the fire breaks and occasionally took azimuths off surrounding mountain peaks and only missed one point because I didn't feel like hiking up the steep hill it was on top of.

Not too sure I see the value in online land nav but I also learned it before GPS was really a thing.

NikkiA11mo ago

The objective is 'train our AI'

dgimla2011mo ago

See Catching Features (first released around 2006) for the orienteering version of this. It still has weekly competitions with up to 100 or so regulars playing.

As another commenter suggested, orienteering is great as a sport/running variation of this. Orienteers are some of the brightest and fittest people I know.

polyvisual11mo ago

Possibly the longest email address I've ever seen!

usarmy.jble.tradoc.mbx.eustis-tboc-dtl-helpdesk@mail.mil

closewith11mo ago

usarmy (U.S. Army)

jble (Joint Base Langley-Eustis)

tradoc (Training and Doctrine Command)

mbx (mailbox)

eustis (Fort Eustis)

tboc (Training Brain Operations Center)

dtl (Data Transmission Lab)

helpdesk (help desk)

mail (mail)

mil (military domain)

Tells you everything you need to know.

inanutshellus11mo ago

Note also the significance of the dots vs dashes in their taxonomy. Once it gets to "mailbox" it's all dashes, signifying no more breakdown by the overarching system beyond "we finally hit a mailbox designation".

I presume that dashed bit is what we'd think of as a normal email address.

p_l11mo ago

looks like gateway address between SMTP and X.400

jsvaughan11mo ago

Can highly recommend orienteering racing if this seems like your kind of thing

dgimla2011mo ago

Orienteering is a fantastic sport. I've been doing it my entire life.

The orienteers I've known have been some of the brightest and fittest people I've ever met (going to Cambridge, Oxford), doing all sorts of interesting things, and are some of the best runners you can find. One of my closest orienteering friends was disappointed in running sub-2:40 in his first marathon.

closewith11mo ago

And practised by nearly all Western miliary as a military sport for that reason.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

This looks really cool. But I'm stuck on understanding the setup. I spawn at a known point defined as 32QAU04710542. I have a list of "given" points that I'm trying to reach, all beginning with 32QAU0 and then ranging from 3500715 to 5790531. And I have a map.

I assume I'm supposed to locate these points, including the known point, on the map. And I'm hoping the names of the points will help me do that. But I don't know what they mean or how to find them on the map.

guax11mo ago

I assume the game is meant to be played with the knowledge of some supplementary course and material.

the coordinates seem to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Grid_Reference_System

dave88111mo ago

This seems to be run by TRADOC, the US Army's TRaining And DOCterine Command.

I assume that it is intended to facilitate the Army's Land Navigation (LANDNAV) training for Soldiers. MGRS is the standard format for all US Army maps.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

I have no doubt, but that supplementary material isn't present here.

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tetris1111mo ago

I did the Duke of Edinburgh bronze silver and gold when I was a kid, back before smart phones. Only one person on the team could reliably navigate, and he was mostly just basing his assessment on our position using compass and tree line.

They taught us to triangulate using pencil and ruler, but no one has time for that when it's starting to get dark.

closewith11mo ago

> They taught us to triangulate using pencil and ruler, but no one has time for that when it's starting to get dark.

I was a military land nav instructor (although not for the US military) and this was one of our biggest challenges, especially once smart phones become common. People would consider position fixing to be an unbearable waste of time and would inevitably waste hours of time and effort because of it.

dmos6211mo ago

Sad story. A few weeks ago, a few US tankmen got lost in a Lithuanian training grounds driving a M88 recovery vehicle. They drowned in a swamp. Took most of a week to find and excavate them (they were under meters of mud). Last I heard the investigation is ongoing, but a theory is that their GPS was malfunctioning due to Russian or Belorussian GPS jamming and the crew failed to navigate without GPS. Russian GPS jamming is a constant occurance in the region and training happened near the Belorussian border.

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domatic111mo ago

I need a Navigation Course to navigate the course.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

All I've done so far is read guax's link on the coordinate system, but I think the intended workflow goes like this:

1. Plot the point where you currently are on the map.

2. Flag that point; you only get two Grease Pencil Points, but you need to remember this forever.

3. Plot the point you want to get to. Flag that one too. (You'll need to clear the grease pencil in order to do this. Flag your location before you do.)

4. Set Point 1 to location and Point 2 to destination. Open the protractor and read the azimuth from Point 1 to Point 2. This is based on Grid North.

5. Apply the adjustment between Grid North and Magnetic North.

6. Use your compass to orient yourself along the correct azimuth. The compass uses Magnetic North. You had to make all the measurements with your fat, stubby fingers, so hope they were accurate.

7. Start walking, tracking the distance you've gone.

8. Encounter obstacles.

9. Step off the track.

10. Wander into the wilderness and starve.

(You also get a notepad; I assume the notepad is there to give you some hope of recovering if you plan out the path around an obstacle carefully.)

I'm surprised they give you the option to move forward deterministically; that's not actually a thing that humans operating outside can do.

jeffbee11mo ago

A key thing may be overlooked right at the beginning: you're supposed to enter a conversion factor of paces per 100 meters. Easy to miss and will leave you feeling like everything is too close together. Also the way the counter works when you're walking around is baffling.

noduerme11mo ago

>> I'm surprised they give you the option to move forward deterministically; that's not actually a thing that humans operating outside can do.

Absent distant landmarks?

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gonzoflip11mo ago

Very cool. I did a few points, I will be using this to brush up on my land nav. The hardest part of land nav for me when I was in the infantry was pace count and maintaining my azimuth while moving, this makes those both super simple, but a very neat game, thanks for sharing.

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

If you have a widescreen monitor or a wider-than-usual browser, the "begin" button may not be visible.

Edit: And if you resize your browser window mid game without playing fullscreen, the flags placed on the map move.

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

Going up a few directories reveals more games: https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/

guax11mo ago

And there is even more games! https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/

mdaniel11mo ago

the loading screen says "Game may take a few minutes to load depending on the internet connection." but the dev tools say

> You can reduce your startup time if you configure your web server to host .unityweb files using gzip compression.

Seems like an easy fix and it's not exactly like that information requires 3l33t skillz to find

ge9611mo ago

can't move the camera around?

I like the skybox of the desert and the cricket sound

CSMastermind11mo ago

This seems like the kind of thing that Grok could one shot creating.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

46 comments

xeonmc11mo ago

How to play:

1. scattered throughout the level are flagpoles with two-letter names on the flag

2. you are given a list of numeric coordinates which are locations to a subset of the flagpoles, in the format (map section)(xx.xx)(yy.yy), as well that of as your starting point

3. the objective is to navigate to those coordinates to record the two-letter names of those flags. A UI will open when you walk up to each flag asking if you want to fill in the answer.

5. the game ends when you have filled out all of the coordinates' corresponding two-letter names, at which point the correct answer will be revealed for you to compare.

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

Also, there are decoy flags that aren't on the list.

Edit: In the "forest" map the paths make sense but I'm pretty sure the map or flag coordinates are slighly off (with a flag being on a different side of a path than indicated by the coordinates).

xeonmc11mo ago

sdkgames11mo ago

How to play is explained here [1]

By the way you can run the games locally. Just download all files.

For the forest game you would have a local directory:

   ├── Build
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.code.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.framework.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.asm.memory.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.data.unityweb
   │   ├── Build_7_30_F.json
   │   └── UnityLoader.js
   └── index.html

then just run the following in the directory

    python3 -m http.server

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74KM792gbo

gonzalohm11mo ago

And how do you download the files?

sdkgames11mo ago

1. One can use the browser's devtools (press F12 when browsing the site) to figure out the needed files.

2. Create a list of the files (files.txt).

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/Build/Buil...

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/Build/Unit...

https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/landnav/forest/index.html

3. Download the files using the browser or a downloader:

      wget --input-file=files.txt --show-progress --directory-prefix=forest --force-directories

teeray11mo ago

I didn't know the objective, so I created my own simple one: get to the lake because I'm thirsty. Then I created another one: get back to where I started so I can bring water to my injured companion.

UncleEntity11mo ago

Not too sure I see the value in online land nav but I also learned it before GPS was really a thing.

NikkiA11mo ago

The objective is 'train our AI'

dgimla2011mo ago

See Catching Features (first released around 2006) for the orienteering version of this. It still has weekly competitions with up to 100 or so regulars playing.

As another commenter suggested, orienteering is great as a sport/running variation of this. Orienteers are some of the brightest and fittest people I know.

polyvisual11mo ago

Possibly the longest email address I've ever seen!

usarmy.jble.tradoc.mbx.eustis-tboc-dtl-helpdesk@mail.mil

closewith11mo ago

usarmy (U.S. Army)

jble (Joint Base Langley-Eustis)

tradoc (Training and Doctrine Command)

mbx (mailbox)

eustis (Fort Eustis)

tboc (Training Brain Operations Center)

dtl (Data Transmission Lab)

helpdesk (help desk)

mail (mail)

mil (military domain)

Tells you everything you need to know.

inanutshellus11mo ago

I presume that dashed bit is what we'd think of as a normal email address.

p_l11mo ago

looks like gateway address between SMTP and X.400

jsvaughan11mo ago

Can highly recommend orienteering racing if this seems like your kind of thing

dgimla2011mo ago

Orienteering is a fantastic sport. I've been doing it my entire life.

closewith11mo ago

And practised by nearly all Western miliary as a military sport for that reason.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

guax11mo ago

I assume the game is meant to be played with the knowledge of some supplementary course and material.

the coordinates seem to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Grid_Reference_System

dave88111mo ago

This seems to be run by TRADOC, the US Army's TRaining And DOCterine Command.

I assume that it is intended to facilitate the Army's Land Navigation (LANDNAV) training for Soldiers. MGRS is the standard format for all US Army maps.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

I have no doubt, but that supplementary material isn't present here.

1 more reply

tetris1111mo ago

They taught us to triangulate using pencil and ruler, but no one has time for that when it's starting to get dark.

closewith11mo ago

> They taught us to triangulate using pencil and ruler, but no one has time for that when it's starting to get dark.

dmos6211mo ago

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domatic111mo ago

I need a Navigation Course to navigate the course.

thaumasiotes11mo ago

All I've done so far is read guax's link on the coordinate system, but I think the intended workflow goes like this:

1. Plot the point where you currently are on the map.

2. Flag that point; you only get two Grease Pencil Points, but you need to remember this forever.

3. Plot the point you want to get to. Flag that one too. (You'll need to clear the grease pencil in order to do this. Flag your location before you do.)

4. Set Point 1 to location and Point 2 to destination. Open the protractor and read the azimuth from Point 1 to Point 2. This is based on Grid North.

5. Apply the adjustment between Grid North and Magnetic North.

6. Use your compass to orient yourself along the correct azimuth. The compass uses Magnetic North. You had to make all the measurements with your fat, stubby fingers, so hope they were accurate.

7. Start walking, tracking the distance you've gone.

8. Encounter obstacles.

9. Step off the track.

10. Wander into the wilderness and starve.

(You also get a notepad; I assume the notepad is there to give you some hope of recovering if you plan out the path around an obstacle carefully.)

I'm surprised they give you the option to move forward deterministically; that's not actually a thing that humans operating outside can do.

jeffbee11mo ago

noduerme11mo ago

>> I'm surprised they give you the option to move forward deterministically; that's not actually a thing that humans operating outside can do.

Absent distant landmarks?

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gonzoflip11mo ago

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

If you have a widescreen monitor or a wider-than-usual browser, the "begin" button may not be visible.

Edit: And if you resize your browser window mid game without playing fullscreen, the flags placed on the map move.

tgsovlerkhgsel11mo ago

Going up a few directories reveals more games: https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/

guax11mo ago

And there is even more games! https://oe.tradoc.army.mil/oegames/

mdaniel11mo ago

the loading screen says "Game may take a few minutes to load depending on the internet connection." but the dev tools say

> You can reduce your startup time if you configure your web server to host .unityweb files using gzip compression.

Seems like an easy fix and it's not exactly like that information requires 3l33t skillz to find

ge9611mo ago

can't move the camera around?

I like the skybox of the desert and the cricket sound

CSMastermind11mo ago

This seems like the kind of thing that Grok could one shot creating.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse