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0 pointsinfinitone11y ago0 comments

You make it sound like the Africans are the only ones racing. There are plenty of Euro/Asian/American runners competing for it and probably had much better infrastructure and training counsel than their African counterparts. Yet still, the Africans dominate. By definition then, its definitely more than just 'economics' and certainly more to do genes/physique/etc.

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nl11y ago

Read "Running with the Kenyans"[1]. Euro/Asian/American runners might have nice tracks to train on, but they don't have things like training groups that include multiple Boston, NY and Berlin winners.

That book is pretty eye opening read. The running culture is like nothing else - guys who come 3rd in the world 10,000m championship are hardly worth mentioning, high school races have better fields than US or European championships etc etc.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Running-Kenyans-Discovering-Secrets-Fa...

a8da6b0c91d11y ago

I read into your post the idea that it's training culture and not genetics that gets so many east africans into distance running success. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems unlikely to me. 100m and 200m is thoroughly dominated by New World West Africans.

Mid distance 400m to 1600m is pretty well split up between Africans, Whites, and East Asians. Whites actually seem to do well at 800m.

I don't really know, but it seems there's a ton of racial genetics at play in sport.

You see in olympic/power lifting it's dominated by nordics/baltics and persians. Considering global popularity it defies ideas about training culture.

nl11y ago

I'd never rule out the (huge) role genetics play. But the culture and environment have a role too.

You don't see many Kenyans dominating in cross country skiing or in road cycling which are both endurance sports where similar physical attributes are useful. Sports culture has a huge role.

OTOH, there have been projects to see how Kenyans do in those sports. The small Nike-supported cross country skiing project wasn't very successful[1], but the cycling project is showing some promise[2]. Genetics has a huge role.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Boit

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/apr/29...

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jaxn11y ago

Sprinting is THE sport of Jamaica.

Distance running is THE sport of East Africa.

As someone who trains somewhat competitively for marathons in a group, I can tell you that having people of similar ability to train with has a huge impact. As does having soft surfaces to run on and good weather.

Genetics may be in play, but it isn't the only thing in play.

clarkm11y ago

No idea why you're being downvoted. Having high-altitude adaptations certainly helps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_hu...

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nl11y ago

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Running-Kenyans-Discovering-Secrets-Fa...

a8da6b0c91d11y ago

I read into your post the idea that it's training culture and not genetics that gets so many east africans into distance running success. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems unlikely to me. 100m and 200m is thoroughly dominated by New World West Africans.

Mid distance 400m to 1600m is pretty well split up between Africans, Whites, and East Asians. Whites actually seem to do well at 800m.

I don't really know, but it seems there's a ton of racial genetics at play in sport.

You see in olympic/power lifting it's dominated by nordics/baltics and persians. Considering global popularity it defies ideas about training culture.

nl11y ago

I'd never rule out the (huge) role genetics play. But the culture and environment have a role too.

You don't see many Kenyans dominating in cross country skiing or in road cycling which are both endurance sports where similar physical attributes are useful. Sports culture has a huge role.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Boit

[2] http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/apr/29...

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jaxn11y ago

Sprinting is THE sport of Jamaica.

Distance running is THE sport of East Africa.

Genetics may be in play, but it isn't the only thing in play.

clarkm11y ago

No idea why you're being downvoted. Having high-altitude adaptations certainly helps:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_hu...

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